Smack / Feb 9, 2012 / 2:09 am

Jeremy Lin Is The Next LeBron… Statistically; Austin Rivers Is A Straight G

Austin Rivers

Austin Rivers

When Dime‘s own Sean Sweeney ventured into the Dean Dome last night, all we wanted was an overtime or a buzzer beater. We got what we came for. Austin Rivers is a stone cold assassin. He’s like Vincent from Collateral, except with blacker hair, and just doesn’t give a you know what. On the final possession of the biggest game of his life, Rivers came off the screen and roll just as he had probably 30 other times throughout the game, sized up Tyler Zeller and unleashed hell to bring Duke a one-point win on the road. First of all, those are some serious balls. Second of all, can you play any worse defense? Dude literally let the man – who had hit five threes and had 26 points up until that point – walk right into another one. Incredible finish. We’ve never heard a building grow so quiet so quickly. On the other side, John Henson actually made a few jumpers (12 points, 17 rebounds), Harrison Barnes actually nearly took it over in the second half (25 points) and Zeller (23 points, 11 rebounds) actually looked like a legit NBA big. The drama in that 13-2 game-ending run was crazy, but for us, the whole day was wild. Sweeney took a tour of the locker room, the basketball museum (which is like it’s own mini Hall of Fame) and got a chance to get out on the court. We’ll post some of the dopest photos later today, but some of the best takeaways: when Sweeney walked out onto the court, guess who was out there getting some shots up? Shammond Williams. And he also caught up with Rasheed Wallace, who was in town for the game, looking excited as ever (and rocking his patented sweatsuit/beanie bummy rich man look), talking about how his 14-year-old, 6-4 son is going to be a beast. He still looks like he could put up a classic press conference or two … We can’t talk UNC without mentioning ‘Cuse. The deepest team in the country survived an overtime classic against Georgetown, 64-61. We’ve been praising Dion Waiters constantly in the office lately, but last night it was Kris Joseph (29 points) who was the difference. The college Paul Pierce made the decisive three-pointer in overtime to push the Orange over the top … So what if some people believe the Magic are merely waiting until after the All-Star Game to officially say yes and trade Dwight Howard. The big man is still hooping, and he went for 25 and 24 in Orlando’s surprising 102-89 spanking of the Heat. Miami stayed close for awhile, mainly because Dwyane Wade (33 points) was attacking the rim like he had a vendetta against it. But eventually, the score’s going to open up when a team takes a team record 42 threes (Orlando) and makes a lot of them … Tony Parker probably wrapped up an All-Star berth by going for 37 points and eight assists in San Antonio’s 100-90 win over Philly … The Bucks got by despite 25 more from DeMar DeRozan to beat the Raptors … Detroit survived 34 monster points from Deron Williams to beat the Nets by seven … Josh Smith had one of his best games of his career, going for 28 and 12 with five steals and three blocks in Atlanta’s 97-87 win over the Pacers. Zaza Pachulia also had a perfect behind-the-back pass to Smith for a wide-open layup. Santa Claus is also real … And the Bulls completely murdered New Orleans, 90-67, in a game where the only excitement came before the tip-off. Will Ferrell is the manKeep reading to hear about the league’s newest sensation …

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  • neoy


    on a serious note, wall went hard that game, but I like how Lin runs the pick and rolls. Washington has got to be one of the WORST offensive teams, its all jacking shots, no plays at all

  • http://www.bettlejuiceXs3.com Chicagorilla

    Damn you Austin Rivers….Damn you. I never want to get too excited because I know how UNC doesn’t like to play actual defense, but damn. Damn that stupid freshman from puke. Damn Ty Zeller for standing there with his hands down by his sides and not crowding Rivers with his 7ft long arms and legs. Damn Roy Williams for not teaching them to play defense and having them switch at the end of the game. and lastly, Damn you Rat face for winning another game you didn’t deserve.

    Kenyon Martin is back! Can’t wait to watch the clippers again. They already had Griffin, Paul, Butler, and Reggie Evans. Now they got Kenyon Marting a.k.a. Bad ass yella boi! They are officially the meanest team in the NBA. Can you imagine getting into a brawl with a team that has Kenyon Martin who throws haymakers (ask Corey Maghette), Reggie Evans and Chris Paul who both like to throw out nut jabs, Caron Butler who has served time in jail, and Wild ass Blake Griffin and Deandre Jordan?

    Jeremy Lin….I’m officially impressed.

  • fish

    John Wall is the next Stephon Marbury.


    Defend the 3, you know he was going for the win! Zamn you Zeller!

  • K Dizzle

    Tony Parker must be mad at someone right now. 42 n 8 on Westbrook n OKC then 37 on Holiday n Philly? Beast!

    I ain’t even gonna say anything about Lin other than dude can ball. I can’t WAIT til Melo gets back n destroys this fragile chemistry.

    I. Hate. Duke. Coulda used Dex Strickland tonight…
    and oh yeah, nice game by Dwight lol.

    A Miami loss is a win for mankind

  • control

    Lin looked nice, but that ny/wash game was one of the worst played, disorganized and sloppy professional games I’ve seen played. Washington plays like they are a pickup team who just met, and they really don’t like each other. New york just fucking sucks, if it weren’t for Novak going insane and hitting 5 threes in a row, they would have lost. Both teams really don’t look like they can run a set play, and both teams are just dreadful on defense. If one of the teams was actually able to run a pick and roll, the other one wouldn’t have had a clue how to defend it. It’s almost like watching two idiot cavemen trying to discover fire, but epic failing.

    Can Shump even dunk? The guy has had some of the stupidest looking dunk attempts I’ve ever seen, almost like a chubby fat kid who can barely touch the rim, trying to slam one home, then bails on the dunk just before getting to the rim. It’s just so ungraceful and ugly looking, it’s embarrassing.

  • http://www.bettlejuiceXs3.com Chicagorilla


    I hate watching the Knicks play. I don’t like to see teams play so unorganized. But sometimes if you have enough talent on the court it works. It’s not a playoff winning formula though. You can’t rely on jumpshooting like that.

  • len



    Man, I’ve never seen Doc Rivers lose it like that. As a player, all-star, coach or champion. Nothing comes close.

    Soy Sauce is for real. Much, much better game for Lin. Less shots, more assists, way less turnovers and better control. Guaranteed contract is nice, but D’Antoni should give his new PG a cut from his salary for saving his job.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    Isn’t it crazy how not so bad of a coach diantoni looks when he actually has a point guard playing the right way to run his system?

    I can’t remember how many guys said fire mike…blow the knicks up. Very few guys believed good pg play was a simple solution. But then again, many guys here were just blinded with knick hate.

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    System?? They ran the pick n roll all game long. If THAT’s a system, how do I apply for an NBA head coaching position? I’m pretty sure I can scream “PICK N ROLL” from the bench for 48 mins. What else did they run last night with that bunch of scrubs?? I doubt they had time to implement anything in the little time Amare and Melo have been out. That’s why all i saw last night was pick n rolls. And maybe a couple simple screens for Novak. That’s it. As far as I’m concerned, Lin saved D’Antoni’s job. He was stashed on the bench and likely would not have played if these injuries did not happen. One word comes to mind… luck. D’Antoni owes Lin a BJ. Or at least a HJ.

    John Wall wasted his summer. Playing the wrong way for 5 months did not help his game at all. His numbers indicate a good game, but they couldn’t be further from the truth.

    Last night’s college games were CRAZY!!!! Kris Joseph has really grown up in his 4 years. Austin Rivers is going to be Jason Terry 2.0 in the league.


    Nah, some were blinded by your love of Melo – who the Knicks are winning without. Steve Novak has way more positive effect. Hahaha

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    I’m really curious to see what happens to the chemistry when Melo comes back. “The Replacements” look for Lin when the offense breaks down…. like Lin would drive, defense gets in his way so he passes to reset the play, and his teammates are looking to immediately give the ball back to him. That’s call “trust”. Will Melo hop onboard and stick with what’s working?? Or will the ball movement die when the ball is in his hands?? I’m pretty sure Amare knows the drill, since he’s played with a pass-first PG before. The Knicks have a chance right now to make their playoff push, but it’s all on Melo. He can play like he’s wearing a Wizards jersey and try to fill up the stat sheet, or he can play with his team the right way and win some games.

  • Skeeter McGee

    That was cool as hell watching Doc go nuts after his kid hit the game-winner. That Austin kid has some cajones but he owes a big thanks to Zeller for the tip in and lack of D!

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    I respect your opinion, minus the condescending parts of it.
    I will say, lin’s play has given a glimpse what a good point guard can do for struggling players.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    My last comment was to JAY

  • Knicksfan84

    Austin Rivers against UNC….


  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    Also…I seriously hope no one thinks all lin was doing is pick and roll passing. He was displaying masterful vision, and driving ability mainly due to his quick first step, and control.

    If you think you could have done what he’s done it shows continued lack of respect. If it was as simple as you make it out as he is playing, toney douglas would have done it, and bibby would be a star.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    I don’t like da lin – tebow comparisons. Tebow was rediculed for his poor qb skills and overcame them by using the skills he had to equal winning. Lin has good pg skills and was just a 12th man, who was cut twice but who still possessed good pg skills nonetheless…there’s the difference. Both got their chance, but tebow was doubted due to his poor throwing. Lin was doubted not cuz of the skills, but because coaches didn’t think whatever skills he had were good enough. Tebow no skill, lin skilled. But I was rooting for tebow every week cuz guys pummeled him with hate. I know a thing or two about hate from this website and how unfair it gets at times.

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    This is a serious question for anyone else other than beib….
    Can someone please point out ANYWHERE in my response to beib(#11) where my tone is condescending. This goes out to Dime writers too, since you guys are writers and know about ‘tone’. Seriously. Beib always says my posts to him are condescending… but I respond to all posts the same way. I know this is beib we’re talking about (the guy many people here dislike), but don’t take that into account. Just look solely at my response and tell me if I’m being condescending. Think of it like, if I wrote that as a response to you, would you think i was being condescending?

    En Fuego, be easy on beib. I feel like I just opened the door for you to jump on him. Lol

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    And before anyone wants to look back and proclaim that I was bigging up lin like he is the next nash, I’m not predicting that. Guys hate when I predict here. All I am saying now is when a pg that is playing well in mike’s system, there is going to be a huge difference in efficiency of the offense. And the outcome of games will be more hopeful. Lin very well is playing like a good player. Any good pg will make a team in flux better. I was only one of a few ppl who believed this was the problem with the knicks. But I was ridiculed. Any good pg should have their team’s offense more sharp. And for the last 3 games of the knicks, that position has been very well played and the results speak for itself.

  • nawlagereignssupreme

    My ninja Jeremy Lin!

  • tall order

    Melo out, and Lin wins? Bottom line, Lin is better than Melo. Sure Melo gets the gaudy numbers but he CANNOT get the W; Lin steps in and they’re 3-0. That is undisputable proof that Lin is better than Melo.

    This is why Nash won 2 MVPs! In the end basketball is a TEAM game. Look at who Nash has around him, and still the Suns can win.

    Melo is a mid-level player at best. Yes, mid-level, cuz he doesn’t help the team win.

    Notice I don’t mention Amare. Reason is, Amare needs a team-oriented team to play well. Melo, well, Melo thinks he IS the team.

  • jdizzle
  • JDish

    Hey Dime how come you guys didn’t put a nice pic of Jeremy Lin on smack today instead of Rudy Gay. The guy is on a tear right now, showing what he is capable of doing all along.

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    I never said anything to belittle what Lin is doing. If you read my posts and tried to understand them, I even said Lin saved D’Antoni’s job. If you want me to spell it out… he’s the sole reason the Knicks are playing well. It’s not because of D’Antoni’s so-called “system”. D’Antoni’s “system” is a 7 seconds or less offense… that’s not what we witnessed last night. It was Lin making plays, and creating shots, and ran a TON of pick n rolls.

    “I seriously hope no one thinks all lin was doing is pick and roll passing. ”
    The pick n roll isn’t just about passing. It’s the most basic play in basketball but is only successful with smart decision making. Lin knows how to run it. He makes the right decisions. Whether it’s passing, or driving, or swinging the ball, or pulling it back out to reset. He ran the pick n roll all night, the game before, and the game before that.

    “If it was as simple as you make it out”
    What he DID was not simple… what they RAN was simple. The pick n roll is a simple play. A simple play that creates a ton of options. He read the options and made the right plays. Bibby and Douglas have no idea how to read the pick n roll. You really want to disagree and say the pick n roll is not a simple play?? It’s the most basic play in basketball. Period.

    Please re-read my posts and try to understand them if you are going to address me. You’re ‘understanding’ things things that i didn’t even write. I don’t mean that in no condescending way. I’m dead serious. You’re seeing things that aren’t there. Like you just want to argue… which is fine, but argue about something that I actually wrote.

  • silky

    gotta say Tyson chandler has been growing on me… he is really anchoring that team… always talking on d, cleaning up the boards, running that p&r nicely, staying outta foul trouble for the most part but still contesting when he is.

    john wall’s offense is so one dimensional, but when lin’s idea of d is to put his hands behind his back, Id be taking it to his chest all day too.

  • JDish

    Snap, what to do now. Jeremy Lin is playing well but Carmelo Anthony will return shortly. So you keep Melo happy and give him the ball so he can get his, or continue going to the team oriented play with Jeremy Lin running the show.
    Now that is a tough dicision whether you make the right move and go with what’s working, or fall back into the rut of relying on your star player to make things work … when it’s clearly not working. That is the real question for the Knicks.

  • beiber the bounty hunter

    Still no one has gone for 50 yet, still taking bets on who will be the first!

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    I’m going to keep my mouth shut on jeremy lin. I knew it would turn ugly. I’d rather hear what guys who are paid to give opinions on say. Too much of going back and forth with commoners on the internet is stressful. No offense jay.

  • JDish

    I agree with JAY. Truly the pick & roll is the most simple play that you can run, and at the same time it can be the strongest play a team can run. Having a player that knows how to run the pick & roll, and that knows how to see all the options and make the right decision is money for a team. When you’re running the pick & roll to it’s full potential it’s almost unstoppable.
    Through the pick & roll you disrupt the defense enough to create scoring options for you and your teammates.

    Basically the pick & roll (P&R), when executed well from the beginning, free’s up your ball handler giving him (or her) space to either 1)drive to the basket 2)have enough space for an open jump shot 3)or look for the player who can cut to the basket after the screen. And thats just three options automatically for TWO players on the floor. You can have your ball handler and another player running the P&R while the other 3 players can execute screen and cut patterns to create even more offensive options. BUT with this you need a ball handler(s) that is aware and can constantly make the right decisions to score.

  • http://www.bettlejuiceXs3.com Chicagorilla

    Kobe will go for 50 first. Maybe Durant.


    That foul they called on Jeremy Lin when John Wall drove INTO HIM was complete BS. That’s how terrible the NBA has gotten. Not all players get that call either, just a select few (ironically DRose isn’t one of them). I believe the terrible foul calling and soft a$$ rules has led to players not needing to know actual skills to score. A guy who is a freak athlete like Lebron or Blake Griffin only has to put their heads down, throw themselves down the lane, and wait for the contact. It’s horrible to watch.
    If the NBA cleans up the rules/foul calling and make it more even and fair, we could see players being forced to develop real skills in order to score.

  • Big Island

    JAY – Come on. You know what will happen when Melo comes back. You think he’s going to think “Holy crap! We are winning and the ball is moving, I am going to come back and not screw up the flow of the game!”? No. He’s going to come back, the ball will stop when it hits him, and all will be back to normal with the Knicks. Melo for Deron, done. You could scream “PICK AND ROLL” for 50+ wins a season.

    LOL@ Dime for making fun of Stu Scott saying Pargo “crushed kids” when like 8 sentences earlier they wrote that Lin smashed on the “entire capital”.

  • silky

    F-UNC !

    sub zero putting the silencer on before double tapping the dean dome

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    big ups to LINSANITY!
    including the 20+ he got when he came off the bench, dude’s got 3 20+ games together…

    it’s funny because his game is so similar yet so different from john wall… similar in that both are drive and kick type of pg, different in that where wall tries to take over with athleticism, lin is making better decisions…

    if lin gets a reliable jumper, and a decent 3, he should be a mainstay in the L… was at the game last night, and even in warm ups, his j looked shaky…

    but the first thing for lin to do is to study all the games stat played with nash… that phoenix team never had a good (not great) C like tyson… but novak can be the knick version of frye…

    melo better watch out cuz i’m not sure if he’s still the media darling of NY… lin’s got much better marketability… imagine how many shoes/jerseys he can sell if he was showcased on this team… trade deadline is coming and knicks can use a less selfish SF… they should totally shop melo for Gay/Josh Smith… heck even Granger if they can get psycho T along with it…

    more on that marketability thing… how long would the lakers wait before trying to sign Lin?? we all know they need a PG, and LA would be a huge market for Lin… when was the last time derek fisher or steve blake scored 20+ 3 games in a row? wait, when was the last time fisher and blake scored 20+ together 3 games in a row? heck, when was the last time any current laker other than kobe or pau scored 20+ 3 games in a row?

  • JDish

    What NBA team doesn’t run the pick & roll? Coaches know that it can be a deadly play, but not every one can have players like Steve Nash, Ricky Rubio, or Chris Paul … who live on the pick & roll.


    LMAO @ Jay

    No worries. You’re holding it down just fine. Pussy might shout “restraining order” faster than a zealous feminist can say sexual harassment.

    Condescending? Haha. That’s where the beib excels at – accusing people of what he really is. He said Big Island was “dying for acceptance”. That’s like an alcoholic calling you a drunk. Ignorant, idiot and phony are other words he has the damn nerve using.

    We’re always wrong. He’s always right. Stubborn. Obstinate. You tell me.

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    oh, and let’s put things in context, getting the best of dwill (on that crap nets team), devin harris, and jwall is one thing… let’s see how lin handles dwade and company next… lin should get good stats if they put like chalmers on him, but all heck is going to break loose if they somehow pull a W on the heat…

    ryan anderson better watch out for his most improved player award…

  • JDish

    @ hakasan

    No way is it a good idea to trade Jeremy Lin to the Lakers. Lin is scoring and doing his thing cause he’s getting minutes and getting the green light, WITHOUT Melo on the wing as a black hole ball dominator. And obviously Lin is taking full advantage and showing that he’s worthy of the getting those minutes.
    But can you imagine getting traded to Laker town. You really think Lin is going to be doing the same thing with Kobe on the wing, arms extended out as making a target with his hands, waiting for the ball to fall in his hands. C’mon bro. No way that will work. I would feel bad for Lin in that situation cause you wont see him putting up numbers like right now.

  • trollne1

    Props to Jay for having the patience to deal with people like that. You must be great with kids lol. Great to see Lin repping the Asian community. He’s giving Asians someone to root for since Yao Ming retired since Yi never lived up to his potential. D’antoni should put Shumpert more at the 2 since he seems more comfortable at that position. A starting lineup of Lin, Fields, Walker, Jeffries and Chandler?? Lin is a playmaking genius by getting points out of that lineup, let alone keep the game close. It doesn’t hurt that the Wizards suck. Anyway, good win for the Knicks and awful game by Rubio. Please let him and Griffin be on the same team for the Rising Stars game.

    I was looking forward to Irving vs. Paul. Too bad it didn’t happen but heckuva game by Sessions.

  • trollne1

    And 80s night with Will Ferrell should happen more often. “He still lives with his mother” and “His favorite movie is the notebook” killed me.

  • JDish

    IT’s all about the situation and the opportunity that Jeremy Lin is being given right now. And he’s showing up early and getting it done; Good for Lin.

    And lets remember that once Carmelo Anthony comes back he’ll get reinserted right away and become the focal point of the offense. Melo’s role as a basketball player is a scorer, so unfortunately I don’t think anything is going to change with him, get him the ball and he’s gonna look for his shot. I just hope the Knicks coaches find a way to adjust the game plan and get Lin more involved.

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    EN FUEGO: “Condescending? Haha. That’s where the beib excels at”
    Therein lies the irony…

    beib: “I’d rather hear what guys who are paid to give opinions on say.”
    More irony… among other things that I do, I actually get paid to give my opinions. That’s part of my job. So I guess you’d like to hear more of my opinions since your preference is to hear from guys who get paid to do so. Ahem. That would be ME.

    @Big I
    I hope your wrong. The East needs more elite teams to give the Heat some trouble in the playoffs.

    JDish: Perfect analysis of the P&R (thanks for abbreviating).
    Just to take ur example further… if the 2 man game off a P&R is successful a few times, the other defenders will start to sag off their man. Next thing you know, perimeter guys are open all over the place. If THAT isn’t the simplest play in basketball, I don’t know what is. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable can enlighten me.

    I’m looking at you beib.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    It’s funny how ppl equate shot attempts to not passing the ball. Melo is a great outlet passer, consistently finds chandler for lobs and is good at finding cutters. U don’t get 4+ assists by accident. Your almighty durant has a career high this year of 3.something assists but is matching it with just as much if not more turnovers…like he does every year of his nba career. Melo’s ball stopping is not good always, but he is decisive with his arsenal of moves. One dribble pull up, no one can stop it. Posting up naturally comes with holding the ball. I can’t believe someone who gets close to 5 assists a game is getting criticized for not moving the ball. Sure he does it at times, but the fact he moves the ball just as much is the reason he is an underappreciated, off the radar good passer. And haters only look at his shot attempts without looking at the game and assume he is being selfish.

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan


    i agree, knicks would be crazy to trade lin to the lakers now, BUT… lin’s only got a guaranteed deal for this season… FA in the off season and any team can make him an offer… so i guess what i was trying to say is that the knicks better offer him a multi year deal soon…

    also agree to an extent that kobe is a black hole just like melo… difference is that melo has been like that even when he was playing with a good pg (billups in denver) but kobe’s never played with a good pg… kobe’s only played with dominant bigs like shaq/gasol who need to be fed the rock… even if the lakers run 50% iso for kobe, and the other 50% pick and roll with kobe as the spot up option and gasol/bynum rolling in the paint… (which should mean kobe is still gettin touches on about 70% of lakers posessions, so he shouldn’t be too mad) lakers would be a much better team…

    again, i agree that lin probably won’t put up numbers like this much longer, even on the knicks when stat/melo/bdizzle want playing time…

    my point, really, is that lakers need a PG because the whole world knows that mike brown knows NOTHING about offense… and that lin would be very marketable in LA…

    all that other stuff is just basketball babble :P

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan


    response to your #41…
    absolutely, this is about coming to work ready to play… kid didn’t slack off in the off season and was ready for action…

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    trollne1: “Props to Jay for having the patience to deal with people like that. You must be great with kids lol.”
    Thanks man. Lol! And actually I do work with underprivileged kids once in a while on weekends. You can tell that from my posts??? Lol!

  • That’s What’s Up

    I like “Linsanity” – no digs at his Asian background, just a good nickname for a suddenly hot player. I bet he was glad to leave Golden State, aka The Land Of The Jackers.

    Tony Parker is killing it right now. I’m so happy Pop never shipped his ass out a few years back – He truly anchors that team. Elite Point Guard, Serial Adulterer and an all-around good guy.

    Where’s doc at? That’s gotta be the Spurs second win in Philly in probably the last 15 years. Celebrate it with me!

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    I love how I am being called out today for really nothing childish. I just said I felt jay was being condescending, he overreacted, guys are piling on, it truly is a shitfest on me everyday. Meanwhile I did not disrespect jay’s opinions whatsoever. Crazy. Jay, way to go. You culd of just said u did not feel you were being what I said you were instead of coming out guns blazing like you did in your response. Geez.

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    i wonder how many of the 4+ assists melo gets come from… ‘yikes, i’ve held the ball for too long, there’s only 3 seconds left on the shot clock, let me get rid of the ball so i don’t get a turnover’

    melo is criticized for not passing the ball because he takes too many bad shots… just because you have a chance of making a shot doesn’t make it a good shot, especially when you have players with an easier attempt one pass away…

    melo is paid to be a scorer, except he’s not leading the league in actual scoring, nor is he leading the league in any %s…

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    I didn’t know I had to be specific on which paid opinions I was talking about. Basketball opinions. Barkley, jeff van gundy, espn analysts..etc….if I was just looking for anyone who gets paid for their opinions then….nvm.


    About the Tebow and Lin comparisons.

    Both grew up in devout Christian families. All about religious upbringing and background. Plain and simple. No need for ignorant over-analysis.

    Just because somebody didn’t know about it, the whole world was wrong again.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    I can’t wait til the post season when mel’s games are televised….too many ppl are speaking off boxscores and not visuals. As in what they actually see, of course scorers at times will dominate the ball, but a good coach knows that player’s skill. I feel like it’s only ppl on the internet who really ignore melo’s above average passing adeptness .

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    beib: “I can’t believe someone who gets close to 5 assists a game is getting criticized for not moving the ball. ”
    Iverson averaged 8 and was accused of the same thing. Assists don’t tell the whole story. “Moving the ball” means getting everyone involved; making the right pass. Getting assists is making the pass that leads to a bucket. Iverson was the guy who made passes for assists. IMO, Melo is the guy who makes the assist pass. He’s definitely not the dude who will swing the ball. He definitely doesn’t get everyone involved.

    “You culd of just said u did not feel you were being what I said you were instead of coming out guns blazing like you did in your response.”
    Guns blazing?? You felt I was being condescending, so I explained it further. ‘Trying to clarify’ is ‘coming out guns blazing’?

    I give up man. How do we talk to you? Do you want us to agree with everything you say to avoid conflict? Do you not want clarification when there is a misunderstanding? Tell me what YOU want, and I’ll try to appease you. I really don’t understand what’s going on… Lol.

  • That’s What’s Up

    …damn I am so glad I ignore and don’t read all “beiber posts”, but now it seems like I may have to ignore “Beiber Retort Posts” too.

    Where have all the good commenters gone???

  • JDish

    @ beiber newz

    on comment #43. Props bro, Carmelo Anthony isn’t averaging 4 assist per game on accident, you’re on the money about that. But just for sec imagine how much more Melo can do pulling defenders to him and getting his teammates open for a couple more assists. He’d be averaging like 10 assist per game or somthing like that. Nevertheless, the Knicks got Melo and are paying to be a scorer cause naturally that is his role on the team.

    @ hakasan

    Good point on Lin. I wasn’t aware that his contract is only for this season with the Knicks, but I hope they get him an extension or that a team picks him up quick for next season because he’s showing he belongs in the NBA for sure.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Slick Ric

    “He had one of his usual crazy reverses.” thats referring to Lin and I lmao’d. 3 games is the usual now.


    @ TWU

    Just following Jay’s lead. He works with Underprivileged Kids so we also want to make a difference by helping the Mentally Melotarded.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    I don’t understand why nobody wants to give D’Antoni credit for Lin’s success. Especially because we saw the same thing happen with Steve Nash AND Ray Felton.

    Lin began his career on another up-tempo team (Golden State) where he didn’t do anything. He gets to NY with D’Antoni and now he looks like an All-Star. Nash was one of the better PGs in the league in Dallas (also up-tempo, coached by Nellie). He gets to Phoenix with D’Antoni and he starts winning MVPs and being called the BEST point guard in the league. Felton was a decent PG in Charlotte, then he gets to NY with D’Antoni and he draws All-Star consideration (think he was averaging like 19-9) in his half-season with the team.

    Are all three of these just a happy accident? We’re saying D’Antoni just got lucky that three point guards over an 8-year span got noticeably better under his watch? The coach deserves NO credit for Lin, Nash and Felton playing the best they’d ever played under his watch?

  • That’s What’s Up

    so we also want to make a difference by helping the Mentally Melotarded.

    that shit made me laugh out loud!!

  • beiber the bounty hunter

    If Lin terrorises NY for the rest of the season, can we call him Osama LIN Laden (too soon?).

    People need to scroll past beib’s posts, dude is too dumb to get it.

  • JBaller

    Damn, 60 posts by 10AM. I gotta get up earlier. Pleasant surprise that JLin has been able to get the knicks some wins, no matter how bad the Wiz are a W is a W and NY needs some more to get back to .500. It’s been said many times, Dantoni’s system needs a legit point guard to work. By legit I mean actual, not top-tier per se. Amare will be back before Melo and though it will kill some of Chandler’s new-found effectiveness when the middle is crowded again, it will be interesting to see if JLin and Amare can make some pick and roll magic happen. If they can start winning like that before Melo gets back then maybe they can convince him to play within the offense, wait, naaah, that’s not going to happen. They just need to play keep away from Melo in the first 14 seconds of the shot clock unless he’s wide open, then give him the rock and ask him to bail them out with some iso.

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan


    don’t see eye to eye with you on many basketball opinions… but i agree with you here… as much accolades as d’antoni’s gotten for phoenix’s success… i still feel like he’s underrated, especially as a pg’s coach… heck… even chris duhon had a serviceable season (stats wise) playing for D


    by the way, the most hilarious on court chant at the ny/was game were knicks fans chanting ‘take out jeffries’ even when he was on the benched…

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    oh, and just to be fair to GS, lin was playing behind monta ellis and stephen curry (pre-injury)… wasn’t going to get much burn there…

    and also, nash barely got any burn when he was originally in phoenix playing behind KJ, Cassell, and Kidd…

    sometimes they just need that opportunity…

    now can someone give anthony tolliver some PT? dude took his talents to minnessota but have yet to get a real shot at anything… haha…

  • JBaller

    Hey Biebs,

    I won’t spend time pointing out the ironies that Jay and En Fuego have already mentioned, I will just tell it to you straight. Grown men come to this site to discuss basketball. We give our opinions and read the opinions of others. We often disagree and occasionally we get fired up about someone’s take on something and call them out. As grown men we don’t take it too personally if some guy in another city doesn’t agree with us or even if they call bullshit on some half-assed analysis. We just keep the discussion going. The big problem that we have with you is that you are always writing shit like “I have said all along” and “guys on this site are always bashing me”. My advice: just say what you think about basketball and don’t guys on this site will comment on that. You sometimes have basketball opinions that I agree with, but your presentation is more like a teenager in an old-style chat room than of a poster on a sports site. It’s been a while since I’ve had anything to say about this, but it just felt like time to try again.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz


    When I said that about diantoni, jay responded by downgrading my comments, saying he could coach and he saying pick and roll was a simple thing.
    I am happy when someone with authority on this site says one of my points. Too many ppl go into my comments already thinking they’ll hate on it.

    I’m retarded today for what reason? Cuz I’m beiber newz

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    Did anybody catch the near-fight between T-Mac and Lou Amundson? Mac blindsided Scraggly Lou with a body check in the lane, Lou got in Mac’s face about it, and Mac went into gutter mode as he’s prone to do a few times a season.

    The best part was T-Mac for a moment had the Kurt Thomas Crazy Eyes going, and I think it worked because Lou didn’t really approach him after that. I haven’t seen Mac’s eyes get that wide for any reason, ever.

  • JBaller

    speaking of irony, it is not lost on me that I called out biebs for calling guys out, but I think the majority of smack posters will understand where I’m coming from.


    You tell em, JBaller.

    LOL @ Crazy Eyes. Must’ve got it from Eddie Griffin’s character in ‘The New Guy’.

  • K Dizzle

    @ JBaller – good post

    @ Austin – I like Mike D’Antoni, I really do, but his stubbornness will be his undoing. He gets no love from me cuz his system is great when there’s a point guard who can run it…Nash, Felton, Lin as long as Melo’s out.
    Here’s my issue: Knicks came into the season without a legit point guard. Douglas n Shumpert are not points. Knicks were losing games to everyboy and D’Antoni didn’t make any adjustments but try to put his best scorer as the point-forward. Weak coaching. This is why Rick Adelman is one of the best coaches in the world. he adjusts his strategy based on his parts. From Portland to Sacramento to Houston to Minny, dude keeps winning
    . 4 completely different squads, 4 different types of strategies. Look at Pop in San Antonio shifting from Duncan to Parker. Teams that should be winning that aren’t have legit excuses. Knicks don’t.
    Lakers were losing because Kobe wasn’t letting Pau n Bynum get touches.
    Mavs were losing because Dirk was outta shape n they lost key parts.
    Celtics were losing because of injuries.
    He is lucky that Lin kept his focus while getting cut from Golden State n Houston. He’s lucky that Melo is out with injury so that Lin n Novak can teamball him some wins.

    What’s D’Antoni get credit for? We knew the system worked AS LONG AS he had a heady point guard n an unselfish squad who understood the open man or the mismatch created by the pick-n-roll would get a good look. Well, you ain’t got a heady point guard comin in so now what? You gonna force Shump and Douglas to be Nash? A good coach woulda made adjustments since the Melo point-forward strategy wasn’t working, but he just let the team keep losing while waiting for Baron Davis??? in a 66 games in 120 days season?
    Let’s see how D’Antoni adjusts when Melo gets back, then we’ll see if he gets any love…

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    @KDizzle — I see what you’re saying, and I actually DON’T like D’Antoni. He whines way too much to the refs and doesn’t seem to care at all about defense.

    So I’m not even talking about D’Antoni getting overall credit for how well the Knicks do or don’t do when Melo gets back, I’m just talking to the people who are acting like D’Antoni has nothing at all to do with the sudden improvements of Nash, Felton and Lin under his watch.

    He’s like an NFL quarterbacks coach; great when working with that one position, even if he may not be a great head coach. Whoever is Green Bay’s QB coach, I’m not gonna say he’s the reason why the Packers went 15-1, but he does deserve some credit for how well Aaron Rodgers and Matt Flynn have played under his watch.

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    rick adelman’s got clyde the glide in portland, cwebb/bibby in their prime in sactown, yao ming and tmac in houston… klove and rubio in minny… arguably, his combo is to have a good passing big with a good pg…

    rick’s a good coach, but he couldn’t turn the warriors around…

    and, adjusting his distribution to the best scorer… doesn’t that count as adjusting strategy? mj distributed the offense in chicago, as did kobe in la… just because melo couldn’t make it happen doesn’t mean d didn’t try… and we’ve gone 1/3 into this short season and you’re saying he had to adjust fire? a coach that comes up with a new system every game is a bad coach…

    the pop situation is different, though, i agree… as almost everyone who watches the nba would tell you that the culture at san antonio is different… the cloest thing to that was maybe when sloan was coaching the jazz…

    and please, just because the lakers did not win the chip last season doesn’t mean they’re not ‘winning’ or else you’d only have 1 winning team per season…

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    I love how when I speak on what I’ve seen guys do on this site in regards to basketball ppl hate me. But when ppl talk about what I do on this site it’s a mass union against me. Lol.

    Meanwhile, I haven’t dissed anyone’s opinion. In fact, I stated I respected their opinion. Yet, I get shit. The only reason it doesn’t bother me is that I know it’s hallow reasoning from you guys.

    I am more so expressing confusion. And seek clarity. So if any of you who come here dissing me, which is unrelated to basketball, think you are bothering you, you are wasting your time. What it does do, is confuse the hell out me

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    Next NY dynamic duo… Melo/Yelo

    (it’s funnier without including Amare)

  • Mt. Pleasant

    @ AB

    Nash seems to be doing fine without D’Antoni and Felton is still doing well in Portland. His numbers are down but he’s asked to do less. Lin never really played in Golden State and has played 3 good games against lowsy teams.

    Even if you give D’Antoni credit for those three, what about all the other PG’s the Knicks have run through there? If he’s a PG wizard how come he’s not making them all stars?

  • K Dizzle

    @ Austin – true that. Maybe D’Antoni would be a really great assistant coach. Some guys just are. I love watchin NBA games now and seein that assistant who used to be the head coach that won 45-50 games back in the late 90s and early 2000s on a team’s bench. Sometimes it works out. Thibodeau was a stud assistant in Boston. He’s an even better head coach in Chicago than I ever thought. Dwane Casey in Toronto’s the same way – Had a weak Minny squad at 20-20 in 06/07 and gets fired. He finally gets an assistant gig with the Mavs n helps get their defense up on the way to a ring. Maybe D’Antoni needs to be an assistant in Minny or Washington or Cleveland or even OKC where he can help young point guards tighten up their game

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    you know who’s a good coach? mike fratello for taking that 97-98 cavs squad to the playoffs… haha…

    @#74, alvin gentry never really installed a completely new system in phoenix… even chris duhon had his best season under mike d, i think that’s enough said… even his horrific season in denver, he made nick van exel into an all star…

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    @Mt. Pleasant — This gets back to the Nash arguments we were having on the site recently. Just like I kept saying Nash didn’t “make” guys like Amar’e and Marion into stars because they already had star talent (and production), D’Antoni doesn’t “make” star point guards; they already have to be pretty good. But just like Nash deserves credit for helping bring the best out of his teammates, D’Antoni deserves credit for helping bring the best out of his point guards.

    Now for some guys, like Toney Douglas, it won’t work because he’s not really a point guard. For some guys, like Chris Duhon, it won’t work because he wasn’t that good in the first place. And for others, like Chauncey Billups, it won’t work (to its potential) because he’s set in his ways and not as mold-able.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    Love how ppl are gonna sugarcoat what they’ve been saying about the knicks. No one believed in dantoni, guys said he was lucky with the players in phx, guys said amare and melo sux, guys said a pg wouldn’t do shit for the shitty roster. Now since they caught a glimpse of good pg play under diantoni, they gonna try to spin their hate in a way that made it seem like they knew all along and believed in good pg play being somewhat of a solution.

    Twoface people in this world. At least I can see some guys on this site who doubted rubio have the balls enough to say they like what he is doing now and didn’t believe in him before

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    AB – In GS, Lin got caught in a numbers game. Had nothing to do with his ability.
    I don’t give D’Antoni credit for Lin’s success because
    1) he was thrown into the lineup because of injuries. It wasn’t a decision.
    2) because I don’t see the 7 seconds or less offense. I see a PG running the P&R to perfection. I see the PG himself making the decisions out there. I see a PG going up to his teammates and it looks like he’s working out where he wants them to be, and where they like to be. He’s taking charge of the situation.
    3) I see it like this… Lin doesn’t practice with the starters. He’s been learning with the 2nd unit(not even?). He hasn’t had any time to gel with teammates. In my eyes, HE’s the reason they’re gellin’ because they aren’t running D’Antoni’s offense. Not the coach.

    Of course this is just my opinion, and could be completely wrong. Maybe he is running the 7 secs or less offense… but because Lin is the NKOTB, he’s running it a lot slower. It’s the 18 secs or less offense now.

  • Mt. Pleasant

    Even though the Knicks have won 3 straight they’re still bad. Utah is decent, NJ and Washington are terrible. I think they’ve only beat 2 teams with winning records all year.

    They’re winning some games they should but racking up wins against Detroit, Charlotte, NJ and Washington does not make you a good or even decent team. They’re barely better than those teams.

    I want them to be good, NY fans deserve it and its good for the league. I hope Lin makes Stat and Melo great and they battle Miami for eastern conference supremacy. But this is a lot of hype for 3 wins over bad teams.


    LOL @ Melo-Yelo

    Bibby-Diddy, Dirty Landy, Novakaine, “Shuttleworth” Shumpert

    They should let Will Ferrell do the intros.

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    “guys said a pg wouldn’t do shit for the shitty roster. ”
    I’m pretty sure everyone on this site says his system needs a PG to run smoothly.

    “Now since they caught a glimpse of good pg play under diantoni”
    To be fair, that’s not his offense. They’re winging it right now.

    @AB: “D’Antoni deserves credit for helping bring the best out of his point guards.”
    But Nash is just as good without him.
    And if Lin is somewhere else next year, and is playing just as well, should we still give D’Antoni credit for bringing out the best in his PGs? Or is it that his system relies so heavily on PGs that he’s willing to give even the shittiest guards a chance? Lin’s opportunity came, and he capitalized. Kudos to D’Antoni for giving Lin the chance… but what we’ve seen so far, I’m convinced that’s all Lin.

  • silky

    I really agree with d’antonis lack of adjustments to suit his personel. I really think he thought he would get default wins based on having 2 all stars until management got him a point. maybe he doesn’t trust his skills outside of the system that he made his name with. Lin is keeping him in a suit right now…. but truth be told Dolan mighta rode with him anyways cuz he’s a stubborn fk

    that’s where I give pat riley mad respect. he won a ton of games with 3 very diff sets of players(80’s showtime, 90’s ny bad boys and 00’s heat tandem). he made it work and changed up his offensive and defensive sets to suit them. dude didn’t just win, he won titles that way with all 3 teams(ya Starks 3 in game 6 in ’94 splashed cuz he was on fire, fkn akeem).

  • K Dizzle

    @ JAY – nice loss by the Raps last night by the way.
    Thought they lost their way and almost pulled it out vs the Bucks. Gotta keep their eyes on the prize (High lottery pick). Especially with the NBA moves Harrison Barnes was showin last night…

    Don’t know why you even bother payin attention to this stuff:
    “guys said a pg wouldn’t do shit for the shitty roster. ”
    For anybody who’s been on this website after any Knicks loss, that’s all we been sayin…

    @ hakasan
    “and please, just because the lakers did not win the chip last season doesn’t mean they’re not ‘winning’ or else you’d only have 1 winning team per season…”
    that really made no sense…

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    KDizzle: I know. They almost pulled it out. Fuckin Calderon. Dropped another 15 assists last night. I hope he get an ingrown toenail or something not serious but will still force him to miss a couple games. I heard him in the post game and he was really upset for losing that game. Nice to see he truly cares after all these years of losing. Most dudes would get used to it and just accept it.

    “Don’t know why you even bother payin attention to this stuff”
    I really don’t know either…

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    @JAY — “But Nash is just as good without him.”

    True, but the more accurate statement is that Nash is just as good AFTER D’Antoni, but he was not just as good BEFORE him. Nash played for a HOF coach in Dallas who ran an up-tempo system and he never shined with the Mavs like he shined with the Suns. So you don’t think D’Antoni had a little something to do with Nash reaching his full potential?

    It makes sense that Nash would still be just as good after D’Antoni, but not because Nash is just amazing on his own with no help. It’s not like Nash would automatically forget what D’Antoni taught him as soon as D’Antoni takes another job. I think it takes a good/great coach to unlock whatever a player has inside of them, and once it’s out, it’s out. So yeah, Nash is still gonna be good after D’Antoni; he’s pretty much running the same system under Gentry and he’s playing with both the confidence he gained under D’Antoni and the lessons he learned.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    I really don’t wanna have to search thru this site to find how ppl been shitting on the knicks’ hopes of pg being a solution. It would be too easy.

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    Did silky just write “fkn akeem”? Holy crap… I haven’t seen it spelled that way since I collected Fleer sports cards.
    …Or maybe it was since Coming to America.

  • K Dizzle

    @ Beiber – knock yourself out
    Find all the examples of posters sayin a point guard wouldn’t solve the knicks problems.

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    Point taken AB. I remember the coach that brought out my confidence to start taking jumpers. Before that i was just a defender/slasher. But I still don’t give him credit for Lin though. He just needed the opportunity. IMO.

    Would you agree that some players just need the opportunity? And sometimes it has nothing to do with the coach unlocking something within a player? Remember, my team is the Raptors…. I’ve seen many lesser known players come here and become very good players. And other than Lenny Wilkens I don’t think we’ve had any very good coaches. All those players needed was an opportunity, and most players get that here.

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    Cosign Dizzle… if it’s too easy, please go ahead beiber.

  • silky

    lol- @jay

    @AB “I think it takes a good/great coach to unlock whatever a player has inside of them, and once it’s out, it’s out”
    – agree with the unlocking analogy, the nba is littered with guys who never played under the right coach or with the right pg. but there are plenty of examples contrary to that where guys never regained the form they once had when they changed coaches or systems or pg’s. its easy to revert


    Hell, just give D’Antoni all his due credit. He’s never gonna win a championship anyway.

    Doug Moe’s run and gun offense with the 80’s Nuggets.
    Don Nelson – Run TMC, the ‘Point Forward’ offense. Bucks, Warriors, Mavs, 80s to early 2000.
    Mike D’Antoni and his “7 seconds or less offense”, 2003-

    Their teams won a lot of games and usually made the playoffs. High-scoring games, fun to watch and loved by their fans – fans who were tricked into believing those teams were contenders.

    Three different generations of the same shit. The Run and Gun offense and the “Just Say No” defense theory has zero finals appearances.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    @JAY — True, there are some players who just need the minutes. Somebody like Dorell Wright, I don’t think he suddenly got better at anything going from Miami to GS, he just got a lot of minutes and got to put up a lot of shots. Had he been given that opportunity right away in Miami, he could’ve had a breakout season before last season.

    I guess with Lin it’s too early to tell. And really, the sample is too small. It’s been three games against three bad/mediocre teams.

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    except there’s this saying in the NBA for ‘being a good player on a bad team’ being given the green light to shoot or to rack up stats is not the same as being a good player… see… shareef abdul raheem, troy murphy, brandon haywood, even guys like tmac/vince carter had their best days on a bad team and when placed in a franchise with a system, their stats suffered… point being, when given the opportunity, a player can choose to grow or to showcase what he already knows, in this instance i hope lin will learn a few tricks from D

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    Iite when I get on my laptop I will. I been on my fone. Easier to search on a computer u kno. I gotta appease you guys. It’s the civil thing to do.

  • Big Island

    Dammit Austin. You beat me to it. I came home for lunch and was going to give some credit to the fact that Lin plays in that Knicks offense. If he had to slow it down he might not be as effective. I would take him over the Lakers PG’s, but I would take half of the posters here before I would take the Lakers PG’s. Blake off the bench is fine. Fish off the bench is fine. One of those two starting is 10 miles of bad road.

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    True, but those guys didn’t make anyone better. They didn’t lift anyone’s play. Their positive attitude didn’t rub off on any teammates. Lin doesn’t fall under that category with Brendan Haywood. The kid is really good. I saw it in the few games I watched when he was at Harvard. We saw it when he was matched up vs Wall in their rookie summer league. He’s a good player, and he gets his team involved.

    Anyway, he’s got the Lakers next. No way in hell they win that one. Lol. Their size should bring him back down to earth. There’s no way he gets into the paint as easily as he’s been doing. That being said, I hope he surprises me.

  • JBaller

    I just read that Kobe is expecting the Lakers to “tweak” their team a bit before too long, meanwhile the situation in ORL with Dwight is not getting any better. I think it is becoming more and more likely that Dwight goes to LAL after All-Star break and before the trade deadline. It is an obvious scenario that we’ve all pondered, but Kobe’s comment makes me think it’s more likely now than ever. Bynum and Gasol for Howard is happening and the Lakers are going to be nasty.

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    just feel like being 101…

    point taken that lin makes his team better, but i also think that the team has to be assembled in a fashion to be made better… which is where the coach comes in… p&r is the most basic play in basketball, but wizards can barely get it right… you can say that chandler knows how to do it right playing with kidd last year, but novak was never effective on the clippers, and the rest of the team had to know where they should be to effective…

    hornets and bobcats can both use a poing guard… i don’t think lin would be as effective on those squads… i also think that the game would be much different last night if lin was playing on the wiz along side nick ‘buckets’ young, and jordan ‘what’s passing’ crawford… and if wall was throwing all bricks but there’s chandler to clear the boards…

    also agree that vs LA would be interesting… wonder if LA would put ‘defensive stopper’ fisher on lin, or let kobe have a crack at it…

  • control

    It will be hilarious if Kobe sees this Lin kid getting some shine, so he takes it personally and just goes and DESTROYS him defensively. Plus, Lin is the only guy producing, other than Tyson Chandler playing the janitor role. Lin will need counseling if Kobe treats him like a white chick from CO…

  • jdizzle

    @Austin Burton “Nash played for a HOF coach in Dallas who ran an up-tempo system and he never shined with the Mavs like he shined with the Suns.”

    You also have to consider the personnel Nash had around him. Which lineup would be more suited to run the “7 seconds or less” offense?

    Michael Finley
    Josh Howard
    Danny Fortson


    STAT, not to mention Barbosa coming off the bench.

    I say we just give credit where credit is due which is to everyone that was involved. I also think this favors Austin’s opinion in the “who made who better Nash or Amare & Co.” debate.

  • K Dizzle

    This year’s all-star snubs:

    Josh Smith….that is all

    Honorable mention: Kyle Lowry

  • JBaller

    Lin got 5 guys 10+ shots and double digit points last night. That has to be the best distribution that has happened in recent memory with regards to NY. I don’t see them beating LA but I’d like to see more of that shared power.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    “knicks and the point guard search”

    Okay guys, I’m on my laptop, and I finished doing some research through some articles on DIME. I will be completely honest. I found a ton of people saying the knicks need a point guard to be right. I also found some interesting stuff on people saying how reuniting nash with diantoni in NY would help the offense (in my opinion, nash would help any offense). So I will shamefully say I was wrong in that aspect.

    However, I also did find, in what seems to be a contradicting show of opinion, just as many people saying to trade guys away, that the combination of chandler, amare and melo was stupid, how knicks fans were delusional and that diantoni must go. The only reason that I say that this is contradicting is because if those same people really believed a good PG was the solution, why would their be a call for their demise?

    One of the more interesting quotes i found was Big Island calling dantoni the “mike martz of the nba” (whatever that means, don’t really know the guy). but my point, guys shouldn’t have bashed the stars of the knicks if they truly believed the arrival of a point guard would reverse the struggles. it’s like making a pot of chicken soup, where the cook tastes it, and doesn’t like it cuz it’s missing something (salt), but throws the entire thing out, instead of waiting for his assistant to get some salt from the store. if the missing salt was truly believed to be the problem, there would be no need to be calling for the garbage man to take out the entire pot, rather, wait for the salt and make a fab chicken soup.

    one weird quote i found, weird in that i can’t tell if he believed having a good pg would make a difference, was by yoda: “as long as they have mike no D as coach, PF who has no idea what word defense means and has no desire to rebound and their best player is backpeddaling lil bitch, they will go nowhere.”

    basically, i found only a handful (in comparison to the people actually claiming a good pg would in fact help) of people saying mike dantoni should be fired. it confused me because mike d has showed what a good pg can do, especially when guys on this site said the crew in phx was “made” by a good pg.

    once again, making it clear, i am pleasantly surprised how many people were saying a good pg would help, but also equally confused as to the same amount of comments i found of people still, for example, giving up on the personnel in ny by saying trade melo away for that type of pg, chandler is overrated, didnt deserve his contract, amare can’t play with melo so there aint no solution. it’s confusing cuz i always believed any good pg can fix deficiencies. so while i was WRONG in thinking very little of the population here preached a good pg would turn things around, guys still shitted on the roster.

    one quote that i did find that stuck out to me was by chicagorilla.

    like i said, i was wrong about claiming guys weren’t buying into a pg fixing things in ny, i still found a handful amount of guys saying a pg wouldn’t do much. it was so little in comparison to guys saying a pg would in fact fix things, that i am okay with saying i was wrong.

    but anyway here is one of those rare quotes that i found that blatantly claims a pg won’t do anything:

    chicagorilla: “you mention how terrible Amare, Melo and the other knicks have been on defense. Then you “wish to God” that they trade for Steve Nash?
    Steve Nash won’t help the Knicks because thats not really their problem. Their problem is defense and their star players don’t mix well.
    Tyson Chandler can’t shoot mid-range jumpers so he has to be around the basket on offense (which also helps with his offensive rebounding).
    Carmelo is their best post up player. So he needs to spend a chunk of his time on the low block.
    Which then pushes Amare away from the baseline/low block post ups and keeps him 18ft away from the rim. Sure Amare can shoot, but with your PF so far away from the rim, how’s he supposed to rebound?
    Bottom line, D’Antoni an idiot. He’s not a great offensive coach, all he does is let players free lance and jack up ill-advised shots. If he was a great offensive coach he’d be able to easily fix this offense and stop having people whining able bringing in a PG.”

    bottom line is…i was wrong :(

    but the good thing is knowing you guys semi-believed in the power of what a decent point guard (by definition) would do for the guys on the ny roster. kinda makes me warm up to you guys just a tad bit.

  • sh!tfaced

    what the fuck? too early. too long. too freakin pointless. expect some blow back. that’s just 3 games and the 2 main stars barely played.

    and oh, get a life. digging up old smack just to prove shit. when someone said knock yourself out (it was an ironic/sarcastic remark to shut you up) you really went to town. too bad nobody gives a fuck.

    congrats making a fool out of yourself. thumbs up on the effort, gotta give ya that. and by the way, get a life.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    just thinking…as i am watching this lakers celts game….wondering if nba coaches, when casting their votes for all star reserves, had it in mind to leave pau off the team in order to reduce his trade value. most, if not all coaches fear orlando, knowing la is hesitant to give away bynum, would settle for pau, but with a higher price tag of other pieces along with him. i wouldn’t be surprised if opposing team owners were in their coach’s ear to slight pau and in result, the lakers’ trade stance.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    shitface…you’re right. sorry though. waste of comment space, waste of time.

  • sh!tfaced

    lol. learn to not give a crap more.

    lakers stole one in boston. big and tall vs old and small. its been a long time but celtics still feeling perk’s absence inside.

  • http://www.fuckboston.com JBaller

    I hope Doc and the gang have another group therapy session about missing Perk.

    “He will always be a Celtic” uh, yeah, but he’s not.

    To paraphrase Smokey in Friday…
    “that’s why I be like ‘Fuck Boston'”

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    @ shitface..tru dat.

    jballer: i got mind control over deebo. he be like shut the fuck up! i be quiet… but when he leave, i be talking again.


  • JBaller

    Smokey was the best character ever.

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    hakasan: “point taken that lin makes his team better, but i also think that the team has to be assembled in a fashion to be made better… which is where the coach comes in… ”
    Not really. Team assembly is the GM’s job.

    “p&r is the most basic play in basketball, but wizards can barely get it right…”
    Again, this has little to do with the head coach. The pick n roll decisions are made by the PG. Wall spent his summer playing streetball doing one-on-one moves. The blame for the Wizards’ failure to execute the P&R falls mostly on John Wall’s shoulders; not the head coach.

    “you can say that chandler knows how to do it right playing with kidd last year,”
    Chandler… PERFECT example of the point I’m trying to make. He played with Paul and they executed the P&R to perfection. Then again with Kidd. But what happened when he joined the Knicks?? They still ran some P&R, but it wasn’t run properly.

    ” but novak was never effective on the clippers, and the rest of the team had to know where they should be to effective…”
    I somewhat disagree. They need to be in the right places, but at that level you’d think each player would know where their strengths are already. That’s why I’ve been saying the Knicks have been winging it the last few games. I really don’t think Novak would wander into the post, and Chandler would spot up in the corner without the coach telling them what to do.
    And I watched the last Knicks game again… and they did run sets but they always broke down, and when that happened (like every single time) they went to the P&R. A lot of what happens out of the P&R falls squarely on the PG. In the same breathe Shumpert can’t run it, and that’s on him; not D’Antoni.

    And speaking of the Clippers, they have the same Head Coach as last year but a new PG. Last year their P&R was… ummm… average (to be nice). This year they’re executing it. Why?

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    Another thing… If you look at the PGs around the league who are good at running the P&R they all have one thing in common. They all keep their dribble alive. It doesn’t matter who their head coach is. That’s something high IQ PGs do.