Smack / Mar 1, 2012 / 1:16 am

Derrick Rose Is Officially Back; Kobe Bryant Is A Sith Lord

Kobe Bryant (photo. Chris Sembrot)

As Andrew Bynum said in the postgame: “That’s vintage Kobe. He always puts on a show.” With a mask that had him looking like a Hollywood villain, Bryant dropped 31, seven and eight in the Lakers’ easy 104-85 win against Minnesota. The question before the game was all “how would Kobe respond to the concussion, and perhaps more importantly, how would he respond to rocking the Rip Hamilton?” Bryant hit his first shot and never stopped. Kenny Smith said it the other night on NBATV: when Kobe gets hurt, you might as well book him for 30. How prophetic was that? … Andrew Bynum also had a monster alley-oop finish. One of the best of his career … David Lee (22 points, 12 rebounds) scored twice in the closing minute – once on a J and another on his patented “fake the handoff, hit a runner off the glass” move – to push Golden State to a surprising win in Atlanta, 85-82. Trade rumors? Monta Ellis had 21 points and eight assists, but he also took 27 shots, so you can make your own assumptions on whether the rumors are hitting him hard. In recent days, there have been reports Orlando has reached out to Golden State about bringing Ellis into a Dwight Howard-to-New Jersey trade. They’re not sold on the Nets’ package of players, and getting Ellis could make the difference … Rajon Rondo responded in a big way to his own trade rumors, going for a triple-double (15 points, 11 rebounds, 10 assists) one night after getting his shine stolen by Kyrie Irving. Boston beat Milwaukee 102-96 to return again to .500 … You know things are clicking when the hometown crowd is chanting “We want Novak!” The Knicks got extra saucy last night, lighting up the scoreboard fuses with 120 points in their big win over the Cavs. Jeremy Lin had perhaps his most efficient game of the season (13 assists to one turnover, 19 points on 12 shots) and the entire team chipped in so much – including the cyborg sent from outer space to shoot threes, Steve Novak (17 points) – that everyone forgot Amar’e Stoudemire is still looking like Quincy McCall after knee surgery … Iman Shumpert had one of the better dunks of the night, so nasty even J.R. Smith had to hold himself back (and he had his own crazy lob from Baron Davis). That wasn’t it for the rook either. He caught a lob from almost midcourt … Too bad nobody saw Greg Monroe gobble up 20 rebounds and 19 points as the Pistons gave Charlotte a 109-94 beatdown … Toronto got 21 points from DeMar DeRozan in their 11-point win in New Orleans … Utah regained their footing with a blowout win over the Rockets behind 27 off the bench from C.J. Miles … And free League Pass until March 4 … We’re out like Clipper Darrell.

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  • stefan

    @JAY – I admit I should have used “good” instead of “great”.

    then I said that you probably know what I mean because I made it clear in a previous post that Rose has better teammates than Parker. it’s just my opinion and I am not going to take a lot of minutes to design the perfect comment. sorry if it was not clear enough for you.

    dime made it sound like Rose is so much better than Parker. he might as well be, but what I wanted to emphasize is that the Spurs won 11 in a row with what I think is a crappy roster. Popovich, Parker and sometimes Duncan are the main reasons why they are winning. In Chicago they went 7-2 without Rose at one point. Spurs lost by 70 or so to Portland without Parker and Duncan.

  • http://www.bettlejuiceXs3.com Chicagorilla

    @Ian

    If you’re saying that Rose wasn’t the SOLE reason Parker had a bad game then you should watch the game again. When Parker got past Rose on the screen and roll, he and his teammates had wide open shots. One on One, Rose shut Parker down so they started running him through screens. And even then Rose would still recover in time to make Parker take a tough shot. You gotta give him his props on that game, he was D-ing up big time.

    One of the reasons i think Ginobili would have made such a difference is because our interior D is so bad. Tim duncan was KILLING Noah. Noah also had ZERO blocks, Boozer got one but i think it was a strip. The bulls had 3 total blocks as a team, while the SPurs had 5 blocks (2 of which came from Duncan) You can not tell me that the front line of the Spurs didn’t outplay the bulls front line. Had duncan not started the game 1-8FGs (only to finish 8-21)the Spurs might have ran away with the game. This is the second night in a row Noah has been killed (Chris Kaman ate his a$$ up the game before).

    When Rose did beat Parker it was off of a screen and he would have to make some crazy acrobatic lay up over Tim Duncan, Splitter, and Blair. It’s not like he walked down the lane to wide open lay ups. Seriously what game did everybody else watch? Or are yall just guessing from the stats?

  • http://www.bettlejuiceXs3.com Chicagorilla

    @Stefan

    Yes the Bulls had a nice run without Rose. But that was just with Rose missing.
    Your comparison to the Spurs is off. The Spurs were missing Manu, Duncan, and Parker for that game vs Portland.

    Take Rose, Deng, Noah/Boozer off the Bulls and they’d get blown out by the Bucks let alone Porland.

  • stefan

    ok, but the spurs were without manu anyway. and the way they lost to portland has to prove my point at least a little.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    Yall are tripping, Dime is not saying Rose should be ahead of parker on the MVP list this season, thus far. Even a bulls fan like me can admit that but they were saying Rose is still on a different level than parker which is definitely true. I hope people are recognizing the improved defense as well. Rose maybe a better on-ball defender than westbrook,paul, and rondo right now, yep.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    the funny thing to me is people ALWAYS have excuses for other players, but for some reason people are slurping if you bring up an excuse for ROSE, am I the only one who notices this? It might be just me.

  • http://www.bettlejuiceXs3.com Chicagorilla

    @slick ric

    Remember when Rondo was a better player than Rose but the only reason he didn’t show it was because his team didn’t need it…well his team needs it and he can’t do it.

    @everyone else

    The guys on NBAtv made some interesting points when talking about what the Cavs and Magic have done to keep their star players (LBJ/Dwight)
    They only focused on the bad trades but i looked up the draft picks too just to see.

    2004
    Orlando: drafts Dwight #1 and makes trade for Jameer at #20

    Cleveland: Luke Jackson at #10 makes trade for #30 Anderson Vajay jay

    Passed on or didn’t trade up for: #7 Loul Deng// #9 Andre Igoudola//#15 Al Jefferson//#17 Josh Smith//#18 JR Smith// #19 Dorrell Wright//#26 Kevin Martin

    2005
    Orlando: Drafted Fran Vasquez at #11
    Cleveland: no picks

    Passed on: #17Danny Granger//#30David Lee//#40Monta Ellis//#45 Lou Williams

    2006
    Orlando: Drafted JJ Reddick at #11
    Cleveland: Drafted Shannon Brown #25

    Passed on or could’ve traded up for: #8 Rudy Gay//#21 Rajon Rondo//#47 Paul Millsap

    2007
    Orlando: Drafts Reshawn Terry #44
    Cleveland: No picks

    Passed on: #45 Marc Gasol

    2008
    Orlando: drafts Courtney Lee #22
    Cleveland: drafts JJ Hickson #19

    Passed on or didn’t trade up a couple spots for:
    Javale McGee #18//Roy hibbert #17//Serge Ibaka #24// Nick Batum #25//Dee Jordan #35

    2009
    Orlando: No 1st round picks
    Cleveland: Chris Eyenga #30//Danny Green #46

    Players who are better than Eyenga and Green:
    #36 Sam Young//#37 Dejuan Blair//#39 Jonas Jerebko//#43 Marcus Thornton//#44 Chase Budinger

    2010
    Orlando: #29 Daniel Orton//#59 Stanley Robinson

    Guys they could’ve picked to make the team better:
    #39 Landy Fields//

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    @ F&F
    Re: Shabazz Muhammad
    Make him an example for what? They didn’t violate anything. They weren’t hiding anything. The family told the NCAA about their family friend paying for their trips…. and it was fine for 2 years. If it’s a problem now, they could have done this 2 years ago when they addressed the issue. The NCAA said it was okay, according to his father. The NCAA is stupid. Of course I’m assumnig the dad is telling the truth… but I always thought the NCAA is way too strict on these kids. A kid can’t work a paper-route on Saturday mornings without being scrutinized.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    Aint no real such thing as a rookie being “passed up” in a draft when it’s low picks. It’s not as if teams knew exactly how good the player would be and said…”U know what, I’d rather draft a worse player in comparison to who I’m going to pass up”. It’s called getting it wrong.

    I know one thing, if rose had parker’s brain, rose would be a much better player. I’ll leave it at that.

  • That’s What’s Up

    At Chicagorilla. I read your post and agree with you for the most part.

    Tony Parker runs a team and scores a decent amount while doing it.

    Derrick Rose is the main scorer while he is learning to run his team.

    Parker’s there, Rose is getting there.

    oh…and “Parker is a Finals MVP with 3 rings. Rose is learning” – lmao

  • control

    Chicagorilla

    I didn’t get the chance to watch the game, but I know EXACTLY what you are talking about. I don’t know why Thibs doesn’t take Rose to the side and tell him “NEVER pass to Noah again, if he is farther than 4ft from the rim, DO NOT GIVE HIM THE BALL”. Like 95-97% of the Noah’s possessions outside the paint result in him burning 3-6 seconds off the shot clock with no benefit, him jacking some filthy looking MMA style shot or a turn over. He SOMETIMES catches a cutter going across the lane, but that is usually in the high post position (8-10ft), not in the 15-18ft range.

  • LakeShow84

    You cant really compare Rose with Parker..

    One is the FRANCHISE while the other would be traded by the FRANCHISE if the right scenario popped up..

    And aint no one trading Rose lol

    But seriously id pay to see Parker and Rose go head to head in the playoffs.. Parker aint no punk like that lol i bet he’d give Rose 15&5 a series..

    Anyways Kobe Bryant for MVP.. crazy what dude is doing at his age and with our team in its transitioning period.. Fuck what everyone else is talkin about BALL OUT BEAN!!

  • LakeShow84

    LMAO @ shooting a MMA style shot hahahahaha

  • Balrog (from Street Fighter™)

    Parker is a finals MVP but the Spurs lost in 1st round last year. Rose only got beat by 2 of the top5 players in the league.

    Rose is alot better then Parker. Rose is top 5 at least. I can name a lot of players better then parker.

    Dwight
    Kobe
    LeBron
    Wade
    Rose
    Paul
    Durant
    Wetbrook
    Love
    Nowitzki
    Griffin
    Melo
    Nash
    Pau
    Ginobili
    Gay
    bosh
    D-Will
    Rondo
    Aldridge

  • http://www.bettlejuiceXs3.com Chicagorilla

    Anyone else have a real respectable opinion?

  • http://www.bettlejuiceXs3.com Chicagorilla

    @Lakeshow

    agreed.
    People get all worked up when you say player A is better than player B. If Player B is a good all-star level player and Player A is a MvP caliber player. I don’t see how that can be debatable. It’s like im stuck in the Rondo vs Rose argument all over again.

  • JBaller

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p66BjBloEwo&feature=player_embedded

    Anybody catch Kenneth Faried kicking Kurt Thomas in the face last night? I was watching the Knicks game and my buddy who was watching the Nuggets called me to tell me about it. I missed the replay so I had to find it on you tube. I pasted the link above, but I’m not sure if it will work. Check it out on you tube if you want to see some funny shit. Faried jumps for a lose ball and kicks Thomas straight in the face. He goes down and then tries to get back up, but he looks like a boxer trying to beat the count. He’s all wobbly and his teammates have to hold him up. His lips are all droopy and his crazy eyes are, well, crazy as usual. Too Funny!

  • That’s What’s Up

    only four people on that list have rings, and one of them is Parker’s teammate.

    If you seriously think everyone on that list is better than Parker you are a fool. Also, he’s a PG – your list is full of bigs.

    what the fuck are you exactly talking about?

    Look, Parker is nice and he’s a great fit for the Spurs.

    Rose is nice and he’s a great fir for the Bulls.

    Spurs/Parker have the rings, Rose/Bulls are working for the rings. If you’re just talking some bullshit, fictitious And-1, 21, one-on-one tournament then yeah, parker probably gets beat by Rode – but it’s the NBA, 5 on 5.

    Damn fools are gonna make me pull up a calendar to see when The Spurs go to Chicago next..

  • http://www.payattnstalkers.com Chicagorilla

    @JBaller

    D@mn, it takes ALOT to take out Kurt Thomas. Dude is one of the toughest SOB’s in this modern era of basketball.

  • That’s What’s Up

    Thomas got clocked. I don’t even know why Faried has his off foot that high up in the air. Maybe to make sure he wouldn’t bounce the ball off his own body, but damn, Thomas got clocked!

  • JBaller

    Yo Rilla, I’ll join this conversation. I hear what you are saying about comparing two players specifically by their stats. It seems to be the only way to make a true one to one comparison. But I’ll argue (as I’ve done in the past) that the whole reason to play ball is to win as a team (unless you are playing one on one). If your team doesn’t win, then all the individual stats in the world are worthless. Players need to put up numbers to help their team win, period. So a guy with a lesser box score who helps his team to victory and ultimately to win a ring can be considered better than a guy who blows up the box score an loses. Wins and rings do figure into whether an individual player is better than another. Wilt may have been the most dominant individual player of all time, but not many call him the GOAT. Jordan had great stats of course, but what people point to is the fact that he used those numbers to win games and ultimately rings. I think it all figures in, rings, wins and stats.

  • JBaller

    That said, I’d take Rose over Parker because I do believe he has it in him to win the chip, and the past does not dictate the future. Parker’s rings are part of his legacy, but a whole drawer full of rings from the past won’t help you win a ring in the future.

  • http://www.payattnstalkers.com Chicagorilla

    @Jballer
    “I think it all figures in, rings, wins and stats.”

    I agree with that last line. I am by no way saying to discount rings when all things are even. Basketball is the one team sport where an individual can have the greatest effect on the game. Hockey, baseball, soccer, and football are geared more towards teamwork.

    In the comparison between Rose and Parker, I have no problem with people looking at their games (numbers lie) and determining who is the better player by that. But no one here is doing that. They are claiming that Parker is better because his team won chips. Discounting the FACT that he was not the best player on his team during any of those rings (Duncan should have gotten mvp in 07).

    @TWU
    You claim Parker runs his team better but isn’t it much easier to “run your team” when Tim Duncan, the guy whom i consider to be a top 15 all-time player, is on your team. Add in Manu and G-Pops and yo got a contender every year. Parker doesn’t have to do anything special to win. If Parker plays good they win. If Parker plays bad or below average, they still win! Other teams don’t focus on stopping Parker, as evidenced by his leading the NBA in points in the point a few years. Most teams are smart enoough to take their chances with Parker making tough floaters in the lane instead of Duncan getting easy buckets at the rim.

    Rose on the other hand has the entire defense looking at him on every move he makes being the #1 option. Rose has to twist and turn in the lane just to get up a lay up (since he doesn’t shoot many FTs consistently). Not only that, teams WANT DRose to pass the ball. Just look at the 2011 Playoffs. Indiana, Atlanta, and Miami all doubled Rose whenever the shot clock got under 10sec or he came off the pick n roll. They switched DWade and Chalmers on him all game long then stuck Lebron on him every now and then.
    When has Tony Parker ever gotten that type of attention? He never will, and that’s because of his teammates and coaches.
    Rose deals with ALL that and still puts up greater stats, and just as many wins as Parkers team.

    But going off this season alone, Rose’s team is top 5 in the NBA. And 90% of that is because of Rose. Can Parker say the same thing? There is no one stopping him from being 90% of his team. I’m sure Pop, Timmy, and Manu would love that.

  • white whale

    nobody but spurs fans ever gives tony parker the respect of saying he is one of the BEST point guards in the L. on any given night, and most of the time, he gives at least as good as he gets it from those upper echelon guys.

    to say Westbrook, Griffin, Melo, Gay, Rondo, Bosh, Aldridge are better…for god’s sake man, that is just bad. He dismantled Westbrook the other day and was going head-tohead with Chris Paul the other day in LA, a game the Spurs won. Nash doesn’t even guard Parker. and Rondo? please. Most of those other guys you cannot even truly compare due to playing different positions, but I think Parker has as much if not more IMPACT on a game as any of them.

    I guarantee you the only PG’s San Antonio would consider trading Parker for TODAY are Chris Paul and Derrick Rose. But he is just as good as (sometimes even better than) those guys head-to-head, especially in a playoff series.

  • JBaller

    Anybody read this…

    “Orlando Magic center Dwight Howard has asked the front office to pursue 16-year veteran and Phoenix Suns point guard Steve Nash”, according to CBS Sports.

    Doesn’t sound right, but maybe?

  • That’s What’s Up

    I never said Parker was better than Rose, I only pointed out that Parker is more accomplished.

    There have been, and will be, a lot of dudes who are top players of their era but never win shit. The list is already long and a good number of those cats are in the HOF.

    So, if Rose never wins shit he’ll still be in the HOF because of his stats.

    Tony Parker gets in because of his accomplishments, not his stats.

    that’s all – I like both squads and their players, but Noah’s hair is shitty

  • K Dizzle

    Lol @ Dime
    Touche on gettin this debate started. Was just a week ago when Rose was laid up with a bad back n the Spurs were on a double digit win streak with no Manu.
    I’ll say it like this:
    There’s a lot of good points in the league right now n they all killin each other on a night to night basis.
    Rose, Parker, Westbrook, Holiday, Curry, Conley, CP3, DWill, Kyrie, Rubio, Rondo, Lowry, Nash, Lin, Calderon, Wall…
    so as a Lakers fan, I’d ask you all to shut up n appreciate havin a legit point guard.

    Thank u for your time

  • First & Foremost

    @Jay, true the NCAA is overly strict, but rules are rules. When, in all likelihood the player could possibly not be a superstar the NCAA just doesn’t have a problem. They spend so much time and effort ensuring that athletes in NO WAY WHATSOEVER, can make a profit while being an athlete in their system. They can’t charge people for autographs. They can’t throw parties for themselves. They can’t already have ties to sporting agents.

    The system is wrong. BUT. It is the system in place. From their perspective, the NCAA doesn’t want other people profiting off of their product without their consent.

  • That’s What’s Up

    I’m getting my beiber on today – just going post-al on all these posts.

    Damn, that’s what a hangover and a slow day at work will do to a man

  • JBaller

    Speaking of beiber, I just saw on my google homepage that it’s that little fuck’s birthday!

    Beiber Newz, you celebrating or what?

  • white whale

    “But going off this season alone, Rose’s team is top 5 in the NBA. And 90% of that is because of Rose. Can Parker say the same thing?”

    Yes I think so. I think he can say exactly that. They are in everyone’s top 5 power rankings for the last month and that is solely due to Parker! If you don’t agree then you don’t watch enough Spurs games.

    I am not one to say Parker is > than Rose. I just think he can play him just as well as anybody.

    And I agree with anybody that says Rose has to make incredibly difficult shots, some of the ones he was hitting last night I was was just like GOD DAMN

  • stefan

    I don’t agree with comparing stats. I’ll tell you why. Take Rondo. Celtics play Detroit, Rondo has 27 fga. I watched the game, he was shooting every jump shot they gave him. In three days they play Detroit again. Rondo has 6 fga. Who know what the fuck happens in players heads and what instructions they get from their coaches. The same goes with contract years.. see VC or Turkoglu recently.. were these recently?! ok doesn’t matter.

    If players want to have good stats, they can. Parker can do it, but maybe popovich thinks it would not help his team in this way.

    Wall and Westbrook put up crazy numbers. Trade them to the spurs, I doubt they would win as many games as with Parker. You have to fit in the system and it’s not that easy.

    I will not argue for Parker or Rose and who is better. They had Lowry vs Rondo recently.. you just can’t judge such different styles of play, you can only have a preference.

    Another thing about Parker vs Rose though: nobody lets parker get layups as they don’t let rose (or at least try to). Rose goes for the contact every single time. Parker shoots teardrops and avoids contact a lot of times. Both proved to be effective. I prefer going for the and one in this case, it has the advantage that the other players get in foul trouble.

    Overall I prefer Parker in my team. I just think he is a better leader. Rose doesn’t talk too much. I don’t like that. As a pg you gotta have a big mouth. I also think it comes down to who makes better decisions. In pg cases I am very subjective and after I watch two pgs for a lot of games I get a clear impression on who takes better decisions like when to shoot yourself and when to pass. I think Parker is the better decision maker. (I am also influenced by a bulls-bobcats game when rose missed the last shot, shooting with two men on him with noah free under the basket and they lost to the bobcats by one, when I had big money on the game).

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    that’s what’s up

    you said, parker runs his team better compared to rose. i made the claim if rose had parker’s brain, rose would be a better player. i think we were on the same type of message, just said it differently. at least it seems as so.

    jballer. if you knew me, you’d see i’m such the polar opposite of justin bieber that it’s not even funny. my name on this site is a reflection of how much care i care about a name here. some of you guys probably took a few hours thinking about what name would make you look the coolest. lol i just picked something really dumb. if i knew down the road it’d have this much of an impact…smh.

    also….one point i’d like to make. a select few guys here say i contribute nothing to this site, but i am very versatile, able to discuss and bring up a wide array of topics, old, new and breaking news…..yet, whose name here appears the most today out of any day’s on average of the week only because the topic is about chicago, derrick rose and the bulls? i don’t think it’s hard to tell whose discussion interests are limited on this site. at least i am able to talk about everything.

    anyway…………knicks have a great test ahead. three tough road games ahead on the schedule against boston, the mavericks and then the spurs. anyone calling they go 3-0 in that stretch? and finally go over .500 this season? i sure hope they do.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    yall are making me lmao acting like tony parker is the reason the spurs won championships. we all know the real reason, tony may have had a good series but without the guys who’s really responsible , the spurs aren’t even getting to the wcf let alone the finals for tony parker to win a finals mvp. yall seriously dont think Rose can do what tony did with a PRIME Tim Duncan, SMH. Hell, the spurs might have six/seven championships right now if Rose played with a prime Tim Duncan.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    This always happens though, a guy becomes great and the center of attention to where the media hypes him up, people get tired of it. then they start to unappreciated his game thinking whats so special about him and he actually becomes underrated.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Austin Burton

    Man, I’m upset I had such a busy day at work and couldn’t jump in on this Parker/Rose debate. I’ll just say that Rose is better right now, but over a 7-game series I would probably take Parker on my team and not regret it for one second. That’s just my preference, not my ranking.

    However, @Chicagorilla, I’ve gotta take part of your comments and flip it to revisit the Bird/Pierce debate from the other day. Here’s what you said about Parker/Rose, with me filling in the Celtics greats:

    “(Bird) doesn’t have to do anything special to win. If (Bird) plays good they win. If (Bird) plays bad or below average, they still win! … Most teams are smart enoough to take their chances with (Bird) making (long jumpers) instead of (McHale/Parish) getting easy buckets at the rim.”

    “(Pierce) on the other hand (had) the entire defense looking at him on every move he makes being the #1 option. Not only that, teams WANT (Pierce) to pass the ball.”

    Now I know I edited a lot there, but if you’re saying Rose deserves more credit than Parker because he doesn’t have as good of a supporting cast, doesn’t the same argument apply to Pierce being on all those mediocre Boston teams for so long while Bird had Hall of Fame teammates? Granted, Duncan is better than McHale or Parish, but is Duncan (one man in the paint) better than McHale AND Parish (two men in the paint)?

    But again, I was not then and am not now saying Pierce is better than Bird. Just that it’s not this gigantic gap between them. Bird might outplay Pierce head-to-head, and he might even do it consistently, but he wouldn’t destroy him is my main point. People acting like Bird is 10x better than Pierce, or Hakeem is 10x better than Dwight, etc., is what I’m railing against.

  • LakeShow84

    I seriously dont see the comparison lol

    You guys dont think Rose could play with Tim Duncan right now in TDs old career and upgrade the Spurs overall???

    Yeah id think he could.. Kinda like if Eric Gordon wouldve stayed with the Clips.. yeah it wouldve been nice but its f#$kin CHRIS PAUL lol

    Now flip it and say could Parker lead the Bulls all by his lonesome (as did Rose last year) to the overall seed in his conference and win MVP??

    Fllllllluuuuccckkk no lol be real guys TP is legit and he is FAR from bad but he cant do (HANDS DOWN CANT DO) what Rose is doing in his YOUNG career..

    i really dont see a comparison.. There is leaps and bounds separating the top 3-4 points guards in the league it just doesnt seem like it because they are all so good..

    And IMO Duncan also couldve won Finals MVP but Parker got to TORCH old ass Eric Snow for a whole series.. but Duncan was just as solid that Finals..

  • LakeShow84

    Imagine Rose this year or last year playing with Duncan in his prime

    sssshhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiittttttt

    Rose only gettin better.. Dude is a head shaker.. he does shit i just shake my head at lol

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    burton got him cornered with that one.

    but some may think that little respect should be given to guys on bad teams putting up good #s.

    but i like the argument you proposed tho, cuz it is really tough to perform with a bullseye.

  • control

    Rose vs Parker is pretty easy.

    Parker is kind of underrated, the guy is a solid player, and he’s PERFECT for the system. His assists are low because of the system the Spurs use. Their system is all about ball movement, and TP sets things up, initiates then usually does the pass leading to the assist pass. All the Spurs big guys have IQ (or they don’t last), so TP sets them up in the post, then they hit the cutter or open man and it’s a high percentage shot.

    Rose is the MVP, so that kind of speaks a lot towards his skills. Funny thing is, his assists should be a lot higher as well, but it’s not because of the system. It’s because his teammates miss like 10 open shots that Rose sets up each game. If they hit even 40% of those shots they should get, Rose would have another 4 assists.

    I LOVE this Rondo talk floating around. People are talking like Rondo is as good as CP3, but boston can barely get anyone to talk to them about Rondo. Rondo’s “personality and attitude” apparently are too douchey for the biggest group of douchebags in the league to handle, I can’t think of another team in which Rondo’s douchebaggary could fit into. The celts will be lucky to get a trade exception for this fuckin douche, haha.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    i luv how guys can make excuses for some guy’s lack in statistical categories but be totally unforgiving to other players (kobe).

  • http://www.payattnstalkers.com Chicagorilla

    @AB

    You’re completely right about the Parker/Bird vs Rose/Pierce lines. Oh…but there is ONE thing you failed to throw in there.

    Derrick Rose…with the defense’s staring him down….won 60+ games and his team was #1 in the entire NBA.
    This year his team is top 3 in the NBA.

    Pierce on the other hand….his team fell into the lottery with the defense’s focused totally on him. And when Walker was there, Walker was just as good as him.

    So there is a major difference between what Pierce was doing vs what Rose is doing now.

    Also, I think i need to point out that Larry Bird was without question the best player on those Celtics teams. While Parker is the 3RD OPTION on the Spurs in all of their winning seasons. If Manu was playing this year then Parker still wouldn’t be the #1 option.

    You at least tried buddy, can’t blame you for trying that one.

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    I had to revisit this a day later just to read the posts…..

    …gotta say this was the best debate/argument of the year so far. Everyone kept it clean and good points all around.

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