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Smack / Mar 2, 2012 / 2:03 am

LeBron Hands Portland A Gift; Steve Nash Destroys Ricky Rubio

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LeBron James (photo. Nike Basketball)

Some teams get rusty with a seven-day delay like Miami was coming off of. The Heat got nastier while still being down an All-Star with Chris Bosh gone. Portland got run out of its own gym, 107-93, as the team still trying to find itself ran into a buzzsaw of a team that’s discovering how vicious it can be. Dwyane Wade (33 points, 10 assists) had a big follow block that led to Mike Miller‘s three on the other end to go up five in the second. If you liked that, the James-Wade combo platter included a two-on-one fast-break alley-oop to LeBron that had Portlanders covering their mouths. Without Bosh in the game there was an all-business, destroyer mode being staged by the pair. Wade finished with 22 points in the first half and LeBron had 19, seven assists and four rebounds. At the end, the count was 38 points, 11 rebounds, six assists, and five steals … For good measure, LeBron cocked the ball all the way back to Salem on a third-quarter breakaway murder of a dunk. There’s also still chalk outlined on the Rose Garden floor where LeBron swatted Raymond Felton‘s shot on a disgusting chasedown block. If you’re looking to poke fun at anything James did Thursday, TNT’s broadcast showed him adjusting his headband to cover his hairline for a good 15 seconds. Should Martell Webster and LeBron just hit up the barbershop the same day? … Nicolas Batum (17 points) did what few have been able to against Miami’s Shane Battier by shaking him clean for a baseline dunkJoel Przybilla‘s first game back in Portland wasn’t the feel-good win he wanted, but the Vanilla Gorilla had four points, and six boards in 19 minutes and was plus-10 … Kevin Durant had an excellent week in Orlando: He goes for 36 against the best in the world to win All-Star MVP on Sunday, then throws up 38 Thursday night to bring Oklahoma City back from 14 points down. The Thunder won, 105-102 … Durant dropped 18 in the fourth quarter and had this powerful one-handed oop on a two-on-one earlier … James Harden (13 points) came away with all limbs intact after dunking on Howard (33 points). Few men in the league can say that … The Thunder had to do some heavy lifting to get back into it, though. It wasn’t just in stretches where Orlando looked head-and-shoulders better than Oklahoma City. It was sustained in the first half and well into the second. Even with Howard sitting for about six minutes, Chris Duhon and Jameer Nelson (15 points, nine assists) found holes in the Thunder defense to exploit in the second, with Duhon catching Kendrick Perkins on a switch for a nifty pick-and-roll layup. Thunder coach Scott Brooks never looks like the happiest person, but a Nelson-to-Jason Richardson fast break dime had him downright pissed entering a timeout … Also something Brooks yelled at his team for was letting Ryan Anderson (15 points) step back for a straight-line three on consecutive possessions, using the same play. Anderson has cooled off since the season’s start but is still a nightmare matchup for other fours … Keep reading to hear about another insane dunk from Blake Griffin …

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Slick Ric

    The Heat are going to get upset in the playoffs.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    Does anyone fear the KNicks getting the championship this year? baron davis got 8 assists without even really trying that hard it looked like. knicks got weapons when they play up to potential.

    i really think kobe gets his 6th ring this yr. how does someone with 5 rings play the game like he is still looking for his first one?

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    kyrie is better than ricky

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9RJbLV98fI Showtime

    … without even really trying that hard …

    That pretty much sums up the careers of guys like Boom Dizzle, Melo and Amare.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    obama sits one on one
    talks bulls…sneaking in watching basketball games when wife sleeps…and having league pass on his ipad

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7znJyJ0dewk

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    without really trying that hard….

    or that can sum up how the flow of the game was going…how jr smith and the guys around diddy were making it easy for him to get the assists.

    but way to go looking at it from the negative spectrum. don’t expect anything less from what i’ve been seeing all yr from the comments section so far

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    also amare…microfracture surgery on his kneees….all star caliber player still…but no… he aint tryin hard

    melo…gets buckets all day on teams’ defenses…no he aint never try hard

    you make it so obvious you are jus speakin fluff. i find it comedic. u did well in doing so.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9RJbLV98fI Showtime

    Like it or not, unless Melo & Stat try hard on the other side of the court they aren’t gonna win a championship. Not in Denver, not in Phoenix and not in NY

  • yoda

    nope, they aren’t trying hard as long as they don’t play D. i don’t mind much players like dirk who are bad defensive players but at least they try to guard someone. melo and amar’e just don’t care to guard anyone.
    as for kobe and his desire to get another ring, that’s what i respect most about him. he drives me crazy sometimes with his hero ball (sometimes is hard to be lakers fan) but you know he will give everything he has to win games (that series against phx excluded). hurt, sick, tired… what ever. he will give 100% and you gotta respect that.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    that has to be the stupidest argument i ever heard. no one can be said to be trying hard if their MO is not to play good defense? wow. go shoot yourself.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    all this working hard crap, you guys have tunnel vision. i spoke of microfracture surgery…there are a lot of things that go into the term trying hard.

    amare had an offseason of adding muscle. melo came in this season in shape unlike guys like dirk and paul pierce who ate twinkies. you guys seem to know about amare and melo’s minds about saying screw defense. if that was the case, the guy they were guarding would average 60 a night .

    trying hard = elite defender? you guys are silly and spew hate from your mouths. it’s sickening. make more sense. john stockton never tried hard then.

  • sh!tfaced

    its obvious who the fuck is “trying hard” here… lol

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    great contribution shitfaced !

  • EN FUEGO

    HAHAHAHAHA

    What a loser

  • Sam

    The Knicks didn’t even play last night, why don’t you talk about something that is, you know, relevant?

    The Heat aren’t losing to anybody unless Lebron decides to quit again. He’s done it two years in a row now so I won’t put it past him. In 30 years we’ll find out the real reason Lebron threw those games but one thing is for sure, if the Hot Fire want to win a championship, all they have to do is reach out and take it

  • LMNOP

    Ahh shit!!.. has Bron finally figured out he’s a power forward? He was playing like a big man in Bosheses absence and puts on one of his best performances of the season. The dudes like 6’9 and strong as anyone, if he learns a post game and gets his ass down there more often he could actually be even better than he is (and ill hate him more).

    yeah an umm.. Nash destroyed Rubio? bit of an exaggeration there, certainly schooled him in the assists department but if Beas, Williams and Love dont combine to shoot 11 for 40 it would look a little different.

  • wcs

    Ricky vs Nash was fun to watch in the first half. The wolves must be shopping Ridnour hard. Refs have been ruining games left and right this year. Seems like they are having a harder time reffing the condensed schedule than the players are having playing in it.

  • LMNOP

    Also, anyone wanna make bets on what age Bron gives in and adopts the MJ haircut? He should do it right now, but im thinkin he’ll hold on to it as long as possible, maybe even get implants……. cus hes a bitch.

  • seany_t

    Anyone else think Martell Websters haircut looks like a Rooster?

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    I think when people talk about “trying hard” they are referring to effort. There’s no doubt most NBA players work hard to get their bodies into elite shape.
    Melo and Amare don’t put enough effort into the defensive end of the floor. Often times Melo allows his guy to drive past him, only to try some stupid playground “poke-the-ball-from-behind” effort to steal the ball. I’ve seen him do that way more often than any other player in the league. I don’t doubt that he CAN shuffle his feet to stay in front of his man, but too often I’ve seen him not try. And Amare doesn’t rebound as well as he should. The guy is still one of the most athletic PFs in the game, and he’s a wide body that takes up room. Even when he’s not scoring well, he should help the team on the boards… but his rebounding numbers are down. IMO, lacking effort is part of the reason.

    That’s what some are talking about when they say “not trying hard”… I think.

  • yoda

    @ Jay

    that was what i tried to say. i played with tons of guys who are bad defenders because they are slow in lateral movement, they have bad defensive position, not really good at reading what player they guard will try to do, but they still bust their ass off. they hustle, they scrape, true they do more fouls than clean steals but they try hard. on other hand, like someone you said, players like melo just don’t bother, they don’t use body to hold their player, they don’t hold hands up etc… as for amar’e i’ve seen him tons of time moving aside so he won’t be dunked on or seeming to be lost in space, wandering around the paint in defense. just not giving proper effort to guard someone.

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    i’m also wondering why y’all are talking about the knicsks, who didn’t play last night…
    but i’ll chime in on this whole melo thing…

    “melo…(shoots all day) and gets buckets (sometimes) on teams’ defenses…no he aint never try hard”… especially true with his %s this season… tough to say he came to the season ready to play when he’s playing so bad…

    everytime someone says melo is a great scorer, i’m reminded of that saying, ‘you give anyone 20 shots/game in the nba and he’ll score close to 20 points’ (except maybe raymond felton) he’s so much more effective when he’s shooting 15-17 shots a game…

    ok enough of that

    @16
    “Nash destroyed Rubio? bit of an exaggeration there, certainly schooled him in the assists department but if Beas, Williams and Love dont combine to shoot 11 for 40 it would look a little different”
    umm… isn’t it the job of the point guard to pass the ball to players in a scoring position? as much as you want to shift the blame to the shooters, unless they are blowing open layups, the passer’s gotta take half the responsibility for putting the ball in a spot where the shooter is uncomfortable… look at that suns team… i can make the argument that if they had bosh @pf, james @sf, and wade @sg, nash’d be averaging 20 assists a game… but that’s most likely not going to happen, so let’s talk what happened and not what ifs…

    and yes… refs are just horrible… do they need to pass some sort of physical or fitness test to be a ref? make sure they have good eyesight? or actually understands the rules of the game?

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    thanks to those who ACTUALLY had some analysis ALONG with their disagreement (JAY yoda hakasan)

    yea..it did feel weird talking about the knicks even though they aint play yesterday…but i needed my knicks fix. sorry :D

    anyway…ricky ricky ricky…my man…he makes passing look so easy. but there are those games where he gets, just 6…5 maybe even 4. BUT that is just a testament to the inconsistent play of his teammates.

    i dunno about you guys, but i really truly thought wesley johnson would be a muchhh different player. i like how he plays on defense, but i wish he had an offensive arsenal to go along with it. he has the body and the athleticism for it.

  • McSimon

    Here’s one thing I don’t understand.
    Why the fuck Dime doesn’t block b.newz?
    He’s idiot who get’s kicks from anoying regular readers.
    I don’t even go through comments anymore, it’s not worth it.

  • http://www.payattnstalkers.com Chicagorilla

    shots fired by McSimon

    WTF? half the post here are from one person.

    Anyway, @DIME/Smack
    few things.
    James Harden wasn’t even close to “dunking on” Dwight Howard. Dwight didn’t jump, there was no body contact, and hell Dwight didnt even put his hands up. He just stood there waiting to take the ball out.

    getting “Run out the gym” means you lost by 20pts or more. Portland lost by (14pts…not 41)

    All-World PG match up? Really? From a rookie PG and a 38yr old Nash? lol. what exactly did you expect from the two of them? 30pts/10ast? They’re not Westbrook vs Rose or CP3 vs Deron. Also is it Rubio’s fault that his teammates were off that day?

    Stop it with the fluff. It’s beyond annoying.

    Speaking of annoying, I’m ok with the 2 page Smack. Never had a problem with it from the jump. But the 8 pages of pictures on the Michael Jordan house, the 14 pages for top ten plays, and 3-4 pages for regular articles…That needs to stop.

  • Dana Walker

    I stopped watching most of the NBA because of the Heat. How is it even competitive? They have three guys that can all be superstars and have been alone on their own teams but chose to play it safe and go it easy and join forces. No matter how many stupid mid court alley oops or length of the court passes they throw, its all just ridiculous and overhyped. Those guys bitched about no help. Elevate your game and try playing with Kwame Brown and Smush Parker for two seasons with Odom being your second go to guy and second best player.

  • Dana Walker

    Also all the comments are far more entertaining and amusing than the actual article most of the time. Keep it up fellas!

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    i was just thinking…i wish after michael jordan drafted kemba walker, that he took a chance on marshon brooks. can you imagine that tandem 5 yrs down the road if they grew on the same team together. if charlotte signed good free agents along the way, franchise free agents (dwight this summer…maybe even finding a way to sign josh smith down the line) to help out that backcourt, they’d have more promise as an organization.

    kemba and marshon would hav been a nice combo. just in my opinion

  • http://www.payattnstalkers.com Chicagorilla

    @Dana Walker

    The heat of today are not too much different from the Lakers of the 2000’s, the Bulls of the 90’s the Celtics/Lakers of the 80’s.

    They have by far superior talent and even a good team doesn’t really stand a chance against them. It’s just a matter of them collapsing from within.

    Also I’d like to give Props to OKC. They are starting to look very scary.
    All those people that was talking crazy about Westbrook at the end of last season and the begining of this season should be eating their words right about now. He and Durant are starting to look like they could challenge LBJ/Wade for the best duo in the NBA.

    I’d also like to give props to Durant for coming into this year showing a better all-around game. He is really starting to improve and get to that #1 player in the NBA status. His shooting numbers are approaching that 50-40-90 level, his assist are up, and my man has been hitting the boards for nearly 8 a game. Starting to look a lot like an MvP to me. It should come down to Durant, Kobe, Lebron, Rose, and CP3 (if the Clippers end the season #2 in the West).

    I have a feeling we might see some craziness in the playoffs too, kinda like in 08′. Especially if New York catches fire from the outside vs Miami or Chicago during the series.

  • JBaller

    The best players put in maximum effort, and that plus skills is what makes them great. MJ notoriously pushed hard in practice and demanded that his teammates do the same. That’s why he was so great, because he tried his hardest and improved his team at every turn. Kobe has some of that going in that he trains super hard, but where he falla short is in the “making his teammates better” dept. He leafs by example, which is ok, but he doesn’t have the respect that MJ had and his teammates don’t respond to his demands. They mostly just cry, pussies.

    Try hard for the things you want, it’s the nature of competition.

  • Big Island

    Clever little Kobe dick ride by Dana Walker in post #26. Forgetting to mention of course that he asked for a trade during that time. I am not mad at anyone on the Heat for playing together. Wade was there, Bosh is a great #2 guy, and Lebron wanted to play in Florida with his friends. It’s all good. I hope they never win a ring, but it’s all good.

    Lebron had that breakaway last night that was disgusting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi9_dFzFiLQ

  • That’s What’s Up

    It’s easy to scroll past all the Beiber Bullshit since he made his name bright red. I haven’t read that drivel in months and I’m a better man for it.

    Honestly, it’s the Heat or Bulls in the East. No other team is even close.

    As for the West, OKC looks amazing but I’m just not completely sold on them yet. Something justs makes them seem vulnerable but I can’t nail it down. Of course I’m going to pull for the Spurs, but even if I take a non-biased view I still see Spurs and Thunder battling for the West.

    Any combo of those four temas in the Finals would be great with me.

  • Big Island

    And for taking up LMNOP’s bet on Lebron’s hair, I think it will be next season. I can’t see him doing the Boozer tattoo hairline thing, but I also can’t see him keeping the hair for another year.

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    @Chi
    “Stop it with the fluff. It’s beyond annoying.”
    I agree but they’re journalists… i think. Fluff and exhaggerate is in their job description.

    Cosign Dana Walker. Sometimes I don’t even read the article and go straight to the comments.

    And I share the same sentiments as Big I regarding the Heat. At first I had an issue with it but have accepted it as part of the new NBA. James and Wade are so amazing to watch. I hate on them but I’m a fan at the same time.

    I like video games… and those two are like 1P and 2P vs the CPU.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    about trying hard:

    trying hard does not mean you are perfect.
    it means what it says..trying hard

    i’ve seen white guys, and i’m sorry to take it to race but it’s part of my experience, but i seen white guys who i played on a team with in practice, who weren’t the fastest or had the most hops, just get outworked by the more superior athletes on the team and look silly, but by the end of it, the white dude is sweating and throwing up.

    my point is, trying hard even if it comes with limitations is still trying hard. can you tell a kid in little leaguehe didn’t try hard because he can’t hit a home run? can you tell a girl she isn’t trying hard because she can’t defend a man from driving to the hoop? trying hard should not be looked at as, “well he can’t do this, so there’s no way he is trying hard”.

    nooooo

    so no matter how good of a game someone like melo has, you wouldn’t even have to look at the highlight, or the game, or the stat sheet, or listen to what his teammates say or his coach or reporters, because by your standards, since he isn’t known to play top notch defense, he automatically, “did..not…try hard”.

    that logic is silly and i can’t wrap my mind around that. the math doesn’t add up. soo what melo isn’t artest on that end. it’s essy to sit there and belittle his defense to the lowest degree because he isn’t notorious for it, but for you to say, he LET’S his man go to the rim, or to say amare sits and WATCHES other bigs get the rebounds is silly.

  • LMNOP

    @Hakasan, sooo what you’re saying is that Nash DID destroy Rubio and that the reason that 3 players combined to shoot 11-40 was because the PG was having a shit game and couldn’t get anyone open?
    im not trying to say that the kid played a great game and was let down by his teammates, just that he clearly wasnt “Destroyed” like the headline said. and that part of the reason his assist total was so low is because the team as a whole looked as if they had just played the clippers and lakers on back to backs and were at the end of a 3in3.

  • K Dizzle

    Lol @ “It’s all good. I hope they never win a ring, but it’s all good.” EXACTLY how I feel. As long as I don’t gotta deal with Spotty-J disappearin for months after an eastern finals or finals loss then showin up like nobody would notice next season.
    I hope it’s a tight one vs my Lakers on sunday, otherwise I gotta look past the fact that the Heat’s win streak consists of wins over: Was, Atl, Mil, Ind, Cle, Orl, Sac, NYK, Por.

    @ “The heat of today are not too much different from the Lakers of the 2000′s, the Bulls of the 90′s the Celtics/Lakers of the 80′s.”
    Not even close. How those teams were built is the difference from the Heat. Like Mike said “I’d never call up Magic n Larry and say let’s all play together. I was tryin to kill those guys”
    1. Shaq signed in free agency. Kobe was stolen in a draft deal trade.
    2. MJ was drafted. Scottie was a trade. Horace was drafted.
    3. Magic n Larry’s teams were byproducts of great gm work, great trades n solid role player signings.
    it’s pretty obvious with the new CBA that 3 top 10 Franchise players, in their primes, will never again all go to one team in a free agency scoop.

    @ Jay – Raps take Barnes or Kidd-Gilchrist if both are available?

  • K Dizzle

    @ Beibs – you need to stall all that effort shit.
    I saw Melo play defense once.
    Playoff series vs the Lakers like 3 years back. Melo was guardin Kobe n was makin dude work. Melo was shifting his feet, choppin them on the closeout, challenging jumpers. He fought through screens n took charges. Don’t even tell me he tryin now cuz he is not.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    thanks to the free league pass i get to watch kyrie tonight and afterwards kobe in sactown. espn…sorry, but i’ll watch your games during commercial breaks.

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    @beib
    There are good players who have off nights, and mediocre players who have good night. The difference is noticed simply because there is a difference in their play.
    I can’t speak for everyone here, but there are nights when Melo digs in on defence and he is a very good defender. I notice because I usually see him standing straight up on D.
    And you have to admit, there are plays where he doesn’t do anything to stop his man from driving past him. Maybe he doesn’t LET them past him, but he sure as hell isn’t trying to stay in front of the guy. I don’t think I’m imagining all the times I’ve seen him try to swipe the ball from behind. Hell, I do that when i play because I’m out of shape and can’t stay in front of guys. But Melo is in great shape and has the ability to do it… but it still happens often. Why?? Unless you can tell me why it happens, I’m convinced it’s his effort.
    And I understand it’s the NBA… everyone is good enough to beat guys off the dribble. But Melo doesn’t even try to move his feet sometimes. Not ALL the time, but more often than an elite player who is a leader of a team, and plays 35 mins/game should. He even played that way under Coach Karl, a defensive coach. Believe me, I’m not biased against him, it may seem so but I’m not. I loved Melo in college. I caught most of his regular season games and caught all his tourney games. I KNOW Melo. And he doesn’t work hard defensively… most of the time. When he does he’s an elite defender, and that’s why it’s so frustrating. Not many guys can guard Lebron straight up…. he can. But most of the time he isn’t interested.

    And regarding Amare’s rebounding. He won’t leave “his circle” to go get a rebounds. He catches the rebounds that are on top of him. It’s not as you said, that he sits and watches other people rebounds… he doesn’t go get them. He’ll jump straight up for a rebound, he doesn’t jump laterally. Again, I can’t speak for everyone but that’s what I meant when I said he doesn’t rebound.

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    KDizzle… exactly. When Melo is playing D, it’s OBVIOUS. He steps up versus elite guys, but he’ll allow lesser players to have good games. If he took every matchup personally, like he does versus LBJ and Kobe, he’s be one of the league’s best defenders. EASY. But he doesn’t care enough on that end. He’s more interested in putting the ball in the basket. It’s truly a shame because he so gifted athletically, and so strong. He can keep Lebron out of the lane when his mind is right. THAT’S saying something.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    kdizzle i doooo remember that series where melo was making kobe work. that was a cool matchup to watch.

    anyway, my point was not to prove that melo is trying hard on defense. im not going to say if i DO believe it either.

    but my point is, that you guys are looking at “trying hard” through one vein..which is “since these guys have deficiency A, B & C , there is no way i can say they are trying hard in their sport, in their craft, in their off time, on the court, for their team, for their coach. since player X can’t do this, i will say he is a lazy bum, who does not care.”

    that logic doesn’t make sense. i am not looking yo prove melo is a good defender. i am not looking to prove amare can be a better rebounder. i am simply saying, whether or not one beleieves those two can do better in those categories, you can not sit there and say because they CAN do better, that it is a forgone conclusion that they never and don’t have a desire to try hard. you can’t say they do not care. trying hard is about working hard, even if it’s working hard at your skill, in the gym, learning the plays, studying your opponents, having that mindset of win win win.

    to have someone tell you you are not or never tried hard because you can be a better rebounder doesn’t make sense. i’m sorry.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    jay…what about those freak athletes who did not have to try hard but got great numbers?

    there are guys out there who acknowledge their deficiencies, but they can still be hard workers.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    basically what i mean is that, why can’t it be looked at like “i’m trying hard, but i suck at it”

    im not saying it’s true for amare and melo..but just in general.

  • silky

    dude, stop with the not trying hard stuff. u are defending blindly. anyone who knows or plays ball knows defense is mostly hard and hustle. they don’t. I watch almost every by game. quit while you are only that far behind.

    those heat highlights last night. oh. my. made me wish i drove down to portland last night. those dudes are so crazy in the open floor. like NBA Jam. shakalacka.

  • silky

    *hard=heart

  • silky

    *by=ny

    ughhh AUTOCORRECT fk

  • http://www.payattnstalkers.com Chicagorilla

    @KDizzle

    I saw Melo play defense during the Olympics and World Championships a few years ago. He was actually really good at it. I think he just doesn’t care much for playing D on a nightly basis. Not many NBA players are. I don’t think Lebron brings it every single night. If he did he’d already have won DPOY. Also, defense is about studying your opponents strengths and seeing which ones you can take away or neutralize.

    For instance, Vs Miami Melo would not be able to shut down Lebron or Wade. But the things he can do is force Lebron to finish over himself, Amare or Chandler. Make him do something more than put his head down and drive hard right. Also Melo can spend a lot of time being posting up Lebron, which would make it hard from him to get out and run the lanes. And with Melos size, he should be very physical on offense, which will slow Bron down some.

    But Melo won’t do that. He won’t study the game enough to pull that one off.

    @KDizzle

    Who gives a fluck how the heat came together. The Celtics/Lakers of the 80’s/60’s stole players through trade and drafts (Bird) in order to get to the top. miami talked 3 guys into giving up 30mill dollars in order to play for rings. By the Way, Bosh and Lebron were sign and trade deals from Cleveland and Toronto. If not for that, they would have had to take even less money. So it’s not like they all just signed on the dotted line and ended up in Miami. Cleveland and Toronto could have and SHOULD HAVE been a$$holes and let those dudes walk. Instead they HELPED Miami form this big 3.

    If you think that can’t happen again then you are sadly mistaken. Dwight Howard could very easily join Derrick Rose or Deron Williams. Or even better Deron and Dwight can decide to Join Dirk in Dallas and pretty much rape the entire league for the next 5-6yrs. all they would have to do is take a little less money. Not a bad thing when you can make it all up in marketing after you face Miami, OKC, or Chicago in the NBA Finals/West Finals a for 5-6yrs in a row.

  • control

    Trying TOO hard = 50 fucking posts in 50 fucking minutes about shit no one even cares or wants to talk about.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    ^you and shitfaced are a match made in heaven. come here to criticize about people talking about nothing, but in the process doing what you are saying people shouldn’t be doing.

    in essence, it’s like you saying “i hate when people FUCKING curse.”

    shutup control.
    nice discussion going on…and you come on here to start a storm. am i the highlight of your life? that goes for all of you who come on here to nag nag nag about stuff that do not include basketball.

    to the guy who said i am “blindly defending” you are blinding attacking then. you don’t know what goes on behind closed doors, but are able to say those two knicks players don’t try hard in their craft because one needs to get a few more rebounds? and the other needs a couple more steals haha. i didn’t know trying hard was so simple and encompassed such little aspects of the overall spectrum.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    i think wilson chandler should pull a kirlenko and play out the year away from the nba and get more deals in 2012-2013. i remember hoping andrei kirlenko landed with the lakers b4 the season started. he can do everything with the basketball and would have been an ideal sf next to kobe. doesn’t need his own shots, can handle the rock, steal, defend, block, run the floor, pass and hustles. he is a swiss army knife. i was crossing my fingers hoping he would wear purple and gold.

  • http://www.payattnstalkers.com Chicagorilla

    So i guess ESPN is trying to say that Lebron is having the greatest statistical year ever or something of that nature. I was taken back a little by this because i know d@mn well he can’t be. After going back and forth with a few people about it, i decided to look up Birds best season. He had so many I just took the middle chunk of his career.

    from 84-88 Bird averaged 27ppg-10rpg-7apg-2spg-1bpg-shot 50% FG 40%3pt 90%FT -won 3 MVP awards, 2 Finals MVP awards, and 2 chips. oh and he only shot two 3pters per game and 6ft att per game. Basically the n!gg@ was not to be flucked with!!!!

    These may be the 4 greatest years one individual has ever had as far as stats and winning. I don’t think Jordan, Wilt, Russell(Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Oscar, didn’t have blocks, steals, or 3pt line), Kareem, Oscar, or Magic can fluck with this. But I’ll check to see .

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    “jay…what about those freak athletes who did not have to try hard but got great numbers?”
    Like VC? Ummm…. yeah. I watched that dude lay on the ground for 5 mins holding his face when he was grazed on the shoulder. I’m not a big fan of those types of guys. He had everything but couldn’t give a shit. Then there was his teammates, Alvin Williams, who couldn’t jump high and wasn’t the fastest, quickest guy on the court but he NEVER gave up. Even when he was beat, he was always hustling. Vince was better, but the whole city of Toronto loved Alvin Williams.

    “there are guys out there who acknowledge their deficiencies, but they can still be hard workers.”
    Of course. Like Nash. He’s a sloth but at least he tries. I love that guy! Like Dudley, and Taj Gibson… they aren’t elite athletes by any stretch of the imagination but they understand angles. I have the utmost respect for those guys.

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    i’m not sure what’s the definition of ‘destroyed’ but looking at individual stats and the results of the game, yeah, i’d say that, empirically, steve nash had a much better game than rubio…

    both of them are considered PG’s and rubio wasn’t even the best PG on his own team last night… (i’d say nash had a better night than ridnour as well, especially considering the outcome of the game… i’d say for last night, nash > ridnour > rubio) if your own coach don’t trust you enough to handle the opponent’s lead pg, you’re starting at a disadvantage…

    yes, i’m saying that it’s partly the PG’s fault that his teammate can’t make a shot… part of what make good PG’s good is that when they have the ball, even if the opposing team is not playing double team, they focus on what the PG is doing and thus allowing the other offensive players to get to spots they are comfortable scoring… like how nash runs those crazy circles in the paint and get the opponents all confused and pass the ball out for wide open shots… the problem with rubio’s game is that i don’t think players respect his shot… seems like people would guard his drive and try to disrupt his passing, which makes it tougher for good passes to find teammates…

    don’t get me wrong, i absolutely agree that rubio’s got some very very decent passing skills, and that’s why some of his passes are quite spectacular… but shooting 37% on the season is a liability… rondo, while he can’t make a freethrow, shoots more like 45%+

    so yes, i’m saying nash had a much better game than rubio

    @bieb…
    umm… i don’t think people are randomly saying that melo is not a good defender… he’s played plenty of games in his career to establish a pattern…

    consistently ‘caring about defense’ or ‘trying hard to play defense’ would be behaviors that people can observe… good defense is harder to quantify than good offense… thus battier has crappy stats, but people know he cares about defense…

    by the way… trying hard in practice doesn’t count… real game starts with 0-0, you don’t get bonus points for your practices…

    bieb said, “trying hard should not be looked at as, “well he can’t do this, so there’s no way he is trying hard””
    the problem with melo is that we all believe that it is possible physically for him to play defense, he just doesn’t actually play defense… and that’s what i call not trying hard enough…

    what about those freak athletes who doesn’t have to train harder? if they are actually holding their defensive assignments to 0 for shooting… don’t penalize the dude for being talented…

    to sum it up… my point is the melo doesn’t try hard enough on defense.

  • Big Island

    Beib – What people are saying about Melo is that he HAS played defense. He CAN play defense at a high level. But he doesn’t do it consistently because he isn’t trying to play defense. A guy can play as hard as he can and not be as good as someone else who doesn’t try (Hinrich vs VC). Most guys would rather play with someone who tries their best and come up short than a guy who has all of the ability but doesn’t try his best. Instead of scoring 20 points and making his guy work his ass off for 12, he would rather score 30 and let his guy score 27. Hey, I outscored my guy, I did my job! He is a big, athletic guy, with a ton of basketball intelligence. He uses it individually on offense, not in a team offense, and rarely on defense.

    It’s hard for me to talk about Melo without hate coming out. Dude could be so much better than he is if he tried.

  • Big Island

    Aaaand just like that hakasan said what I was trying to say, only he did it better. While I was posting mine. Dick.

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    @52,

    not talking awards cuz there are human factors in those, but just talking stats, you must be crazy…

    let’s take the worst numbers from oscar robertson’s stats 60-65 (no 3pt lines yet) 28pts (all other season over 30 pts), 9 rb (one other season at 9.9, other seasons over 10), and 9.5ast (2 seasons over 10)… fg% at least 47, with 1 season at %51, ft% at least 80, with one season at 85%…

    what about wilt from 59-66? at least 30 points and 22 rebounds? ft% were bad, but 30pts and 22rbs?

    larry is a legend for sure, but stats, while impressive, is no way clear cut ‘the best stats ever’

  • da man

    Am I the only one who thinks the attention on Lebrons hairline is overblown? Sure it’s receding, but I’ve seen worse from dudes younger than him. I guess people want to undermine his accomplishments by talking about trivial things. If the Heat win the championship this year, Lebron should dedicate his title to Barkley and tell him that not only does he have more hair, he also has a ring.

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    *below is complete baseless rumor*

    ever since a buddy mentioned to me that he thought that james and wade are both getting much bigger in the past 2 seasons, and that they are perhaps growing beards to hide their ever apparent jaw lines, and also noting that hair loss could be attributed to using certain workout supplements, i’ve thought that when TV personalities talk about james’ hairline they are indirectly making the same reference that people used to make about barry bond’s head…

    but, i’m not a medical professional and don’t profess to know anything about how these two athletes train… for all i know they put in tons of hours in the gym and if following all league guidelines on supplements…

  • UncheckedAggression

    I think Chicagorilla meant best all-around stats, so Bird and Oscar probably would be the historical champs in that regard. Lebron is the only contemporary one worth discussing in those comparisons, though Kevin Love may get there in time.

    Tell me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the article about Lebron having potentially the best season ever based primarily on PER or something? I have to say, this is the most dominant I have EVER seen a player in the NBA since Jordan. Shaq couldn’t even affect games quite like Lebron is this season. His defensive intensity has been sustained and he’s about as efficient as you can be on offense. He attacks, hits players that are open, and knows well the tendencies of his teammates and opponents. The guy is a force to be reckoned with.

  • UncheckedAggression

    And seriously, when the hell are you guys gonna learn that it’s a waste of time to argue or even address BN?

  • http://www.payattnstalkers.com Chicagorilla

    @Hakasaan

    Why would you not count awards? That is the whole point. Who can put up crazy stats while also winning.
    Take MJ for instance. during his 6 championship years MJ was always around 30ppg/5ast/5reb/2-3stls/1blk. 50%FG. Those are great stats. But His best statistical years came in the late 80’s. Bird and Magic put up crazier statistical seasons while winning MVPs (Reg and Finals) and championships. To me that is more impressive. That means every rebound, assist, block, steal, point all played a major part in your team winning the chip.

    As opposed to Oscar Robertson who was triple dippin for a team that was terrible. I’m not blaming him because (as me and Austin B have gone back and forth on) its the the luck of the draw. Oscar just wasn’t lucky enough to get with a good team.

    As far as Wilt is concerned, his 50ppg 25rpg season is clearly the greatest thing ever. I mean Wilts first 7yrs in the NBA (1960-1966) he averaged 40ppg-25rpg (oddly enough he only hit 51%FG) and 3.4ast. Never won a chip until 67′ when his scoring average dropped nearly 10ppg.

    Kareem also had a few years of outlandish stats
    from 1971-1976
    30ppg-16rpg-4apg-1spg-4bpg 54%FG
    1 championship
    1 Finals MVP
    4 Reg Sea MVPs
    Those^ are nasty numbers but kinda hallow when you consider the winning, but still outta this world, yet still not as good as Larry’s.

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    “I guess people want to undermine his accomplishments by talking about trivial things. ”

    ^ His colleagues tease him about his hairline too. Guys do that. We make fun of other guys for silly shit. Judging by your name, you should name that men joke around with eachother. Unless your buddies are oversensitive little bitch, then I can see why you wouldn’t understand that.

    If you went to a party and saw your buddy there with a freshly faded haircut but it was patchy, wouldn’t you tease the fuck out of him? Even if my boy was Will Smith, or Denzel Washington…. if those dudes had a patchy fade, you could bet your life I’d tease the shit out of him.

    Is it overblown? Sure. But it’s funny as hell. It’s nice of you to defend him though.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    seriously..i’m trying to keep my sanity. but i don’t know how this turned into a discussion of defense.

    i started off talking about baron davis and how he got 8 assists in his last game without even having to try hard to get it. like, it looked so easy because guys on the knicks were just clicking.

    the game looked very easy for him. now, someone ended up flipping that to shit on other knicks players who don’t do things they should be doing.

    okay, but that was besides the point.

    you guys are simply looking at me saying these guy try hard and saying it’s not true because they can be better.

    i didn’t want to talk about any knicks players’ defense. i just talked about for instance pure “trying”.

    look at it this way…when a father is playing his 6 year old son in the backyard in 1-on-1 basketball. the dad knows he can win, so he isn’t trying that hard. back to baron davis, guys on the knicks were on fire in the 3rd quarter that baron davis got those assists without even really breaking that much of a sweat.

    now, guys wanted to flip that aspect into talking about the players on ny and their lack in statistical categories.

    there are different kinds of trying hard.
    1. where you go into the game (i.e lebron playing against an undermanned, non-playoff team or when a game is out of hand and guys are on chill mode or the dynamics in the rookie-sophmore game). that’s the kind of trying hard i was talking about.

    2. the trying hard you are talking about is guys needing to elevate a certain aspect of their game. players who are lacking something in their game. players who are not able to do something when they should be able to.

    those are different types of trying hard.

    that is why i keep repeating i did not want to go into talking about defense or rebounding. simply i started off talking about trying hard in respects to going hard. ramping up the level of play or focus. or going H.A.M.

    two very different ways of looking at trying hard.

    please ensure my sanity and finally get this through your minds of the difference i am talking about in trying hard.

    even though melo is lacking in defensive ferocity, he can still go into a game and give his best. whether his best is not suitable for you because he should lock up his man, it doesn’t mean he didn’t have it in his mind to go hard and by the end of the game he wasn’t sore and beat up.

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    if the discussion is on whichh player’s stats made the most impact on his team, then playoffs/championships matter…

    MVP’s, all stars, something something of the year don’t really matter to me in this discussion because of the human factor… these awards are decided by people, subjectively, not objectively… when was the last time the mvp/all star selections were universally agreed upon?

    i was commenting, and i’ll clarify again, that my previous post was strictly on the numbers… if we’re talking greatest statistical 4 seasons, i can see if you want to avg in playoff games, but i can’t see whether or not making the playoffs/winning chips/awards matter… (i do realize that your statement was on stats AND winning, but i think think that’s a much harder assessment because while Bird was integral, perhaps even the leader on those teams, he had plenty of hall of fame teammates sharing the load)

    by the by, when wilt lowered his scoring that year, i think his ast went over 5/game, right?

  • http://www.payattnstalkers.com Chicagorilla

    @unchecked

    I haven’t looked at the article so i don’t know. But maybe they are only going back to Jordan when talking about the stats.

    And while as i stated above, the only reason i don’t include Oscar is because he wasn’t winning during his great statistical years. By the time Oscar won a ring (1971) he was 32 and averaging 19ppg 6rpg 8apg. They didn’t keep track of steals/blocks and there was no 3pt line.

    But based on only stats without winning, Oscar and Wilt would be untouchable.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    btw…these two chicks on either side of the screen now…i never seen them before, so i can’t say for sure but

    i like this girl on the left’s body and the girl on the right is better neck up.

    if they were spliced together, i wouldn’t mind wrestling them in bed.

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    @bieb,

    let’s talk baron… how do you know he wasn’t trying hard two nights ago? are you basing your statement on the fact that he got 8 ast in a such a short time?

    if you ask me, he’s trying harder than he’s tried in the past few seasons… why? cuz he’s fighting for playing time behind lin… if he doesn’t go out and ball out of his mind, he’s sitting on the bench behind mike freakin bibby… every other situation he walked into after his hornets days he was locked in to be the lead guard, this is the first time in his career where the focus is not on him… dude’s fighting to stay relevant…

    then on melo… if he’s got it in his head to play defense, and can physically play defense, but does not play defense… isn’t that clearly ‘not trying hard enough’? we know he’s physically able to do it because he’s done it sporadically… even consistently when he was on team usa… but in the nba, no so much…
    umm.. and are you seriously going to talk about being tired and sore at the end of the game? these are professional bastketball players… there are 9 other players on the court playing in the same game he is… maybe if melo shoots less he will be less sore and less tired and maybe he can play some defense then…

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    today is wilt’s 100 point anniversary.

    i’m pretty sure if anyone had the game footage today ( i know no one does) that guy would be an instant millionaire.

    i was reading this dwight piece online on what someone with the magic said about the situation and it reminded me of what i said about the hornet’s hasty trade of franchise pg cp3:

    “I’ve said all along our reason for not trading Dwight at the beginning of the season is that time would be on our side one way or another. Time would be on our side in the fact that we could work with Dwight to address his needs and ultimately convince him to stay. Or time would work on our side in that if Dwight made the decision that he didn’t want to stay, we would have more time to talk to other teams about what trade possibilities exist”

    the last sentence really drives my point home. only if stern was bullshitting, the hornets would be in better shape. it was almost as if they WANTED to kick paul out as fast as possible. weird.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    hakasan…i am not declaring baron didn’t try hard. you are right in saying i should say he wasn’t. i just said it APPEARD as so because guys around him were scoring so easy. it’s like when people say michael jordan made scoring LOOK so easy, or when guys pull of incredible dunks it LOOKS easy, meanwhile that guy actually can be trying hard. that’s all i was saying. i agree with you that baron has to work his ass off, but i just said that qtr, everything was clicking so well for the knicks that baron davis made 8 assists look like he did it in his sleep.

    as for melo, yes, i agree when it comes to defense. i was probably the first guy here saying melo had the tools to play defense. i didnt want to get into the defense aspect because months ago that turned into World War 15. i was only speaking (really just defending/making a rebuttal) on the fact of what melo CAN do on the basketball court, he tries hard at that.

    if you read thru my post where i was about to go insane, i specifically dissected two definitions of trying hard.

    1..where a player is performing in the dynamics of an all star game

    vs

    when a player needs to go into the gym , stay there, and work on improving a deficiency.

    but good stuff anyway hakasan

  • http://www.payattnstalkers.com Chicagorilla

    @Hakasan

    Yes, when Wilt dropped his scoring average his assist nearly doubled. in 67′ when he won his first chip and beat the mighty Celtics he had 8apg to go along with 24ppg/24rpg. He even topped out at 8.6 per game in 1968 and was MVP that year.

    And i guess i should state that Wilt also played with HOFers. So did Magic. so did Kareem. The only person who can say they had the least amount of help is Jordan who had Pippen for 6yrs and Rodman for 3.

    But the fact that Bird (and Magic, below) were able to Win chips, while putting up outrageous numbers i believe that is what also brought on the individual awards. Because people knew that their numbers meant so much more.
    And i think the fact that they played on loaded teams means they could have been even greater statistically. If Wilt, Russell, and Jordan all lowered their numbers in order to win chips, then im sure that meant Bird and Magic did the same.
    Magic could have easily put up 25ppg and Bird could have went to 35ppg but it wouldn’t have helped their teams.

    It’s the same problem i have now with Kobe. If he drops his scoring average (to say 22ppg) it would actually make his team so much better and nearly unbeatable.
    Same with Lebron. If Lebron was smart he would be putting up a triple double or close to it. HE should be around 20ppg, 10-12rpg, 9-11apg, 3spg. 2bpg, while shooting 50-35-80.
    Those^ numbers would be far more impressive and useful to his team. He would easily be the best defender in the NBA and the most unstoppable force because you would have no idea what he’s going to do game to game to destroy your team.

    It would get their teammates more involved in the game and the team becomes even more dangerous and consistent.

    Magics best 5yr span (i wrote 4yrs but it was actually 5yrs for Bird)
    21ppg 12apg 6.5rpg 1.6spg
    52%FG 86.6%Ft
    3 Chips
    2 Reg Sea MVPs
    1 Finals MVP

    People will look at that and see the 21ppg and discount the fact that also put up 12apg lol. All that while winning and beating some of the best teams/players of that era.

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    on baron, fair enough, you did say ‘look’… but

    dude,

    i don’t think anyone here is saying that melo is not physically capable of playing defesne…

    but there’s only 1 all star game every season… not 83, or in this year’s case, 67…

    i’m gonna refer you back to #40 when @jay pointed out that melo doesn’t consistently move his feet to stay in front of his defenders… we know he can still move his feet cuz he’ll sprint down to shoot a fadeaway…

    on your 2 ‘trying’s… what does that have to do with people pointing out melo doesn’t try to play defense? are you saying that he treats every game like a all star game, or that he doesn’t have a deficiency? i addressed the first point already, and to the 2nd point… being able to do something and doing it in the game are 2 things… if you have it but can’t bring it to the real game… it’s even worse than not having it at all…

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz
  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    my point is your logic is flawed because you are saying a coach can never look at melo and say “you played hard” because you think his defense is behind on his offense.

    it’s flawed reasoning.

    i’m sayingmelo can play hard in every game regardless of whether or not he will ever make an all defensive team.

    playing hard is playing hard.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    would russell westbrook blow by john stockton at will?

    does that mean if hypothetically speaking, if the thunder played a john stockton led jazz 82 games in a year, that without watching the games, you can say stockton didn’t try hard because he can’t guard the opposition?

    trying hard is about doing what you can, at the highest degree.

    s looking at melo not trying hard because he hasn’t been able to do something. that is flawed.

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    @71,

    not every award winner are chosen based on stats, one way or another. larry legend also never won a 4 peat… so his numbers are less significant in the year they didn’t win the championships? i think there are too many ways to interpret these ‘significances’… that’s why i personally don’t want to put them in the same discussion… but you have your reasons…

    i’ll agree to disagree on the awards vs. statistical significance.

    i also caution with dabbling in the what if’s… if you want to say that bird can score 35/game, then i think you have to also take into account that his rebound numbers would probably go down, and that his assist numbers would definitely go down (less possessions for other people)… then you don’t have this awesome across the board line anymore…

    on the kobe/lebron should go for the trip/dub line thing… who knows man… maybe if bynum avg 20shots a game his sweet feeling knees would be not so sweet playing knees… maybe if you feed the ball to jones more than 10 times a night, his arms would fall off… who knows… if it happens, great… but that’s up to the players to figure out what they want to do on the hardwood…

    i’m not sure who discounts the best 5 seasons of magic johnson’s career… not even me, who grew up in la in the post magic lakers era… and um… as long as you win the championship, it’s definitive that you’ve beat some of the best players/teams of the era right? like joe dumars and isiah thomas beat some of the best players/teams of the same ear, so did hakeem in the two years without mj…

    by the way, my fav. lakers team was that vlade/campell/ceballos/jones/van exel team….

  • white whale

    @beiber…that almost makes up for all those other 50 posts.

    i’m thinking alf is right. it seems like you either worked for, or do work for Dime. or you are related to or are roommates, or friends with Austin. what else could you possibly do to have all day every day to post on dime like this?

    it would be smart to create all these little controversies to increase webpage views to sell more advertising or however you guys make money. i’m no internet genius like you, just sayin’.

    kinda the same reason dime intentionally breaks articles into multi-page formats.

    i don’t really care one way or the other but they are rather curious questions. would be interesting to have answers…have you worked for dime? you know austin personally?

    i often see you post right after austin and never really getting into it with him, and he has been using more antics lately to rile folks up seems like.

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    @bieb’s 74,

    not true, no one is saying that at all…
    if fact, people brought up how he defended quite well on Team USA, and that he had a series when he guarded kobe well… those times, melo played hard…

    mj, not to take away from this defensive ferocity, will always be remembered first for his crazy offensive skills… but no one is going to say that he didn’t play hard on defense… same with last decade’s kobe…

    it’s when there’s such a discrepency between how he plays offense and defense, that people call out melo for not playing hard ‘the entire game’

  • white whale

    btw what exactly is the gift lebron handed portland? dunk highlights?

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    white whale..lmao ! you had me laughing with your conspiracy.

    all i will say is that, this is the first time in a long time that i’ve posted so frequently as today.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    hakasan @ your #78 post..you know what, i’ll take that. even though it differs from my initial main idea.

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    @75,

    we’re not saying melo can’t, we’re saying he doesn’t

    plus…

    stockton played against some pretty athletic guys in his days as well… he might not be able to keep up physically, but he played dirty personal defense like tripping and tugging, and great team defense, by giving his opponents the weak side and let them deal with a dirty and mean ostertag/malone… that was their system…

  • white whale

    not my conspiracy, alf from melmak’s!! haha

    he claimed you are andrew macaluso.

    i’m just saying it seems totally plausible you know people from dime or have worked there. never gotten anything from you or austin to the contrary.

    i’m not a conspiracy theorist, just a simple skeptic. like i said, i don’t care either way, it’s just an interesting notion.

  • http://www.zwani.com/graphics/funny_pictures/images/88funny-pictures128.jpg JAY

    Example… i have a little cousin who’s 12 and is really good but there’s no way he’s beating me. I’m just way better than him. So I go out and start jacking shots. Practice some post moves on him. When he has the ball, I play defense on my heels. I don’t really care if he scores or not because no matter what, he’s not outscoring me.

    I think that’s the same mentality Melo has.

    When I play adult ball. I’m diggin in on defense. Why? Because I’m step up to the challenge.

    Same thing with Melo. Dude falls on his heels versus lesser players, but steps up and plays hard against another elite player. The difference between him and I, is he’s the professional.

    I’m sure many people here can relate to stepping down their game versus somebody because you’d win the matchup regardless of how hard you play, whether it’s a cousin, nephew or someone else. We’ve all done it. But Melo’s the pro… playing for a franchise… ‘earning’ millions of bucks.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    jay great example !

    i guess that is what i’ve been trying to convey.
    i don’t think people are seeing what i mean when i explain what i mean by trying hard. melo can go out and try hard on defense and suck, but trying hard from a different angle would be from a perspiration standpoint.

    jogging instead of sprinting
    settling for jumpers instead of putting pressure on the defense by posting up, driving to the hole for tougher shots, offensive rebounding for tip ins, talking on the court, rallying your guys, showing emotion, hustling back to stop the opposition from getting easy buckets, trying to draw fouls to get the defense in trouble..etc.

    you guys are saying all those other things that go into trying hard in basketball should be null n void all because melo can’t make an all defensive team. melo goes into the game giving 20%.

    i don’t think he would say that. i think if you asked melo, he’ll say he give 100% every game. whether or not he can’t lock down another sf, does not mean he didn’t try..hard…in the game of basketball.

    i think this is getting nowhere. it’s dead.

  • http://www.livingcheapla.com hakasan

    @jay,

    look what you’ve done…

    @bieb,

    not the same thing… jay is saying that when he plays his little cousin, he’ll win no matter what he does… the closet analogy in the nba is if the heats are playing the bobcats and lebron is guarding… boris diaw/derrick brown/biyombo/higgins whoever…

    the reason why the situation is different in ny is because they’re barely a .500 team… if they are playing .750 ball all the time, no one would care if melo is not playing defense… but truth of the matter is that melo’s lack of defense costs his team wins…

    too often melo lets mediocre players get to their season averages and the lack of defense by another knicks player gets torched by the opposing team’s star player, which results in a loss… or how about it… melo guards lebron well in the first quarter, but since the rest of the team gets outscored by wade and bosh, melo gives up from 2nd quarter on, knicks lose…

    anyways, time to start the weekend…

  • Big Island

    Beib – Lebron’s hair is only funny because he puts his headband right at his hairline and it keeps getting higher and higher and higher. Nobody in their right minds would take steroids now, too much testing, and baldness is a side effect from steroids. HGH will make your bones grow and crap, but I don’t know about the baldness. I’m buying your theory, they are juicing.

    The girl on the left, Meisha Tate, is HOT AS FUCK in my book. But the chick on the right, Ronda Rousey, is a monster and just hot as hell. She’s an Olympic judo chick who talks a TON of crap. Busted her last opponents arm. The winner will be my wiener. Again, this is in my book, but I crush on Dirk so take it for what it is.

  • http://www.payattnstalkers.com Chicagorilla

    SHOTS FIRED

    Miami Radio Host calls Derrick Rose
    “Most Fraudulant MVP we’ve ever seen”
    http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/03/01/miami-radio-host-rose-most-fraudulent-mvp-weve-ever-seen/

    why? Well apparently they took exception to Rose not dancing a jig and cooning around on stage with the other East All-Star starters. Who btw, are the only ones who were dancing during any of the intros. Because now that i think about it, not one of the Western Confr guys were dancing and none of the East/West reserves were dancing while being introduced. So that means only those four guys outta the 24 all-stars were dancing (although Wade only seemed to nod his head a little).

    I kinda wish Wade, Bron, Melo, or Dwight would say some disrespectful shyt about Rose. That way we can start up a real rivalry. Not a made up TV rivalry.

  • da man

    @ Jay

    Forget Lebron’s hair, let’s talk about your grammar.

  • sh!tfaced

    TRYING HARD
    (VERB)

    1) Trying to “FIT IN” in terms of fashion and social acceptance.

    2) Selling your character just to be socially accepted.

    Synonym: POSER

    (adjective)

    a person who struggles to achieve something but he/she is hopelessly doing it.

  • http://datpiff.com beiber newz

    thank you league pass…for allowing me to watch that incredible jazz-heat game. wow!

    announcer at the end of the game just said: “kobe bryant would have never passed that shot up”
    -you should know how the game ended based off that.

    big island..so she sexy and can fight? niiice

  • Dana Walker

    @Big. I would ride that dick, hopefully reenacting that night in Eagle.

    I digress on the original point. I am sick of these “super teams” I agree Lebron needed help in Cle and they never got him the right players to really compliment his style. I really hope that Howard doesnt go to the Lakers because again, its a super team and Id prefer to see a team built with complimentary characters or a one-two punch. The difference too between the Heat and all other teams is that they celebrated for NO reason and they acted like they won something instead of merely joining forces from three shitty teams. There is a difference in Lebron’s confidence compared to other players that exude it